New evidence supports Big Bang Theory for origin of Universe

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

BBC - 17 March 2014 Last updated at 14:46 GMT
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environ ... EET1074415

Cosmic inflation: 'Spectacular' discovery hailed

Scientists say they have extraordinary new evidence to support a Big Bang Theory for the origin of the Universe.

Researchers believe they have found the signal left in the sky by the super-rapid expansion of space that must have occurred just fractions of a second after everything came into being.

It takes the form of a distinctive twist in the oldest light detectable with telescopes.

The work will be scrutinised carefully, but already there is talk of a Nobel.

"This is spectacular," commented Prof Marc Kamionkowski, from Johns Hopkins University.

"I've seen the research; the arguments are persuasive, and the scientists involved are among the most careful and conservative people I know," he told BBC News.

The breakthrough was announced by an American team working on a project known as BICEP2.

This has been using a telescope at the South Pole to make detailed observations of a small patch of sky.

The aim has been to try to find a residual marker for "inflation" - the idea that the cosmos experienced an exponential growth spurt in its first trillionth, of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second.


Gravitational waves from inflation put a distinctive twist pattern in the polarisation of the CMB

Theory holds that this would have taken the infant Universe from something unimaginably small to something about the size of a marble. Space has continued to expand for the nearly 14 billion years since.

Inflation was first proposed in the early 1980s to explain some aspects of Big Bang Theory that appeared to not quite add up, such as why deep space looks broadly the same on all sides of the sky. The contention was that a very rapid expansion early on could have smoothed out any unevenness.

But inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous Cosmic Microwave Background.

The BICEP2 team says it has now identified that signal. Scientists call it B-mode polarisation. It is a characteristic twist in the directional properties of the CMB. Only the gravitational waves moving through the Universe in its inflationary phase could have produced such a marker. It is a true "smoking gun".

"Detecting this signal is one of the most important goals in cosmology today. A lot of work by a lot of people has led up to this point," said Prof John Kovac of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and a leader of the BICEP2 collaboration.

The sensational nature of the discovery means the BICEP2 data will be subjected to intense peer review.

It is possible for the interaction of CMB light with dust in our galaxy to produce a similar effect, but the BICEP2 group says it has carefully checked its data over the past three years to rule such a possibility.

Other experiments will now race to try to replicate the findings. If they can, a Nobel Prize seems assured for this field of research.

Who this would go to is difficult to say, but leading figures on the BICEP2 project and the people who first formulated inflationary theory would be in the running.

"I can't tell you how exciting this is," said Dr Jo Dunkley, who has been searching through data from the European Planck space telescope for a B-mode signal.

"Inflation sounds like a crazy idea, but everything that is important, everything we see today - the galaxies, the stars, the planets - was imprinted at that moment, in less than a trillionth of a second. If this is confirmed, it's huge."

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Quite a remarkable discovery not that any sane person ever doubted the big bang theory. Especially over some dude in the sky did everything.

But right now 80% of this planet still believe that the big bang is a lie and that belief based on faith and superstition is more credible than reason and evidence.

Hell we can't even get people to use basic commonsense to understand evolution. They still believe we were created from dust with the process of magic.

Even our Prime Minister is seen praying to the lord for answers on crime. (Not that manning was any different)

Richard Dawkins coined it quite well, they are the enemies of reason.

[uncle sam]

....and they still can't find a missing plane

[janfar]

....and they still can't find a missing plane

Ahahahahahah

[VexXx Dogg]

what about the multiverse theory and the explanation of the mind blowing quantity of dark matter and perhaps the origin?
That the big bang is just one of infinite big bangs in infinite universes.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^ well that case different since the Pilot hijacked the plane, knocked out all passengers and flight crew because of his political/religious views. Disabled everything that would allow them to locate the plane and quite possibly crashed into the sea.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

what about the multiverse theory and the explanation of the mind blowing quantity of dark matter and perhaps the origin?
That the big bang is just one of infinite big bangs in infinite universes.

It is said that the universe is so finely tuned that for it to even exist in its present state it would require a multiverse theory.

There is a Physicist known as Lawrence Krauss who has a very good theory as to how the big bang started. It actually came from "nothing" but don't be confused about the word "nothing" its actually now what they found out to be something rather than nothing. The idea is quite remarkable and possibly the greatest explanation anyone has ever come up with. The fact that Evolution is such a graduate and slow process from the simplest most basic forms gives rise to the idea that so is the universe and the further back you go and the more primitive you get the simpler and less complex something becomes which is why nothing is the greatest explanation for the universe. "Atleast better than any theory about some dude in the sky did it"

Because as Richard explained it if you use the idea of a creator you create an even bigger problem, where did the creator come from, such a intelligent and complex being does not just exist instantaneously "and was not always there and eternal thats just retarded" And goes against the laws of Physics. Is 2+2 = 108 viable in this day and age? I say NO. Its still 4 no matter how much you may want to believe its not based on some book.

Here is a great video of Krauss and Dawkins. Quite possibly the 2 greatest scientists of our time.

[de_dougla_smurf]

Cool stuff.

[toyota2nr]

Wait now for some religious nut job to say it's blasphemous or there's no evidence.....

[EXODUS]

Not this sh1t again...

[DrunkenMaster16]

#scienceftw#bigbang#evolutionvscreation.... flying spaghetti monster aproves

[Advent]

#scienceftw#bigbang#evolutionvscreation.... flying spaghetti monster aproves

it have science people in trinindad yes i thought i was the only one

[original_lollybob]

^ well that case different since the Pilot hijacked the plane, knocked out all passengers and flight crew because of his political/religious views. Disabled everything that would allow them to locate the plane and quite possibly crashed into the sea.

holy fcuk are u serious?!

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

#scienceftw#bigbang#evolutionvscreation.... flying spaghetti monster aproves

it have science people in trinindad yes i thought i was the only one

put aside some reading time and check this topic
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=267363

[janfar]

#scienceftw#bigbang#evolutionvscreation.... flying spaghetti monster aproves

it have science people in trinindad yes i thought i was the only one

put aside some reading time and check this topic
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=267363

Alot of reading time.

[wickedbreed]

So Penal still have doubles, aloo pie and sahena $2.00 for one by Nick Nads. Tomatos is still $4 ah pong in Debe market...#unaffected
Will go home and offer water and flowers to my Gods and thank them for allowing me to live another day..

[MG Man]

#scienceftw#bigbang#evolutionvscreation.... flying spaghetti monster aproves

it have science people in trinindad yes i thought i was the only one

put aside some reading time and check this topic
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=267363

Alot of reading time.

and an unbelievable tolerance for gross ignorance and stupidity

[toyolink]

I find the intolerance of the evolutionist for the religious and religion generally really amusing.
Why can't we agree to disagree approach ,has no traction when dealing with fanatics of all kinds.

[MG Man]

I find the intolerance of the evolutionist for the religious and religion generally really amusing.
Why can't we agree to disagree approach ,has no traction when dealing with fanatics of all kinds.

it becomes an issue when religious folk want to teach creation as 'science', while telling their kids that real science is wrong. Indoctrinating children with religion is tantamount to child abuse

[Country_Bookie]

But can it explain the non-responsiveness of bodi prices?

[MG Man]

But can it explain the non-responsiveness of bodi prices?

as a commodity, body prices are relatively inelastic. Neither a staple nor a gourmet ingredient, it remains in moderate demand. Factors that will typically affect bodi prices stem from the supply side (adverse weather, for example). However, again due to modest demand, even such supply-driven price changes see only marginal changes in RRP of body, as compared to higher demand legumes, pigeon peas for example.
As the price elasticity of body applies to scientific discoveries, there is little correlation between the two. While it can be argued that upwardly mobile academics will seek to maintain a healthy lifestyle, there are other sources of protein and roughage that are more popular. So again, even as young physicists aspire to emulate those who made this breakthrough, it is unlikely that they will look to bodi for a competitive edge.
Hence in the face of groundbreaking scientific discoveries, body prices remain unchanged

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

As the price elasticity of body applies to scientific discoveries, there is little correlation between the two.

I disagree

Absolutely, we share some basic housekeeping genes with all living cell based organisms. If you think about how both plants and humans live; we share an environment where we both require oxygen, some common nutrients, minerals and water for our survival, repair and growth. We both reproduce sexually & grow from embryos. Thus, there will be some commonality in the biochemical processes that go on within the cell of a human or a plant.
Similar biochemical functions require a similar set of genes to code for the functional enzymes. Thus, while we may look very different from bodi on a large scale, we require many similar genes at a cellular level. What are shared are the housekeeping genes that let cells function as cells & replicate. These genes operate basic metabolic pathways.
For example we share cellular respiration pathways in organelles called mitochondria. Bodi has the same cellular respiratory paths to provide metabolic energy, using oxygen and giving off CO2, as animals do.
On the larger scale bodi develops from a sexually reproduced embryo and grow to maturity. They even have body plans with complex structures that grow in genetically ordered patterns controlled by master genes with homology to ours. Bodi plants use hormones and complex secondary metabolites to interact with their environment in an integrated fashion as they grow into the legumes we love.

They are as valuable as we are.

Hence in the face of groundbreaking scientific discoveries, body prices remain unchanged

how much does a body go for these days?

[TheOwnerPO]

you have to be quite stupid and have an IQ of a squirrel to believe that everything was created because of an explosion.

[janfar]

you have to be quite stupid and have an IQ of a squirrel to believe that everything was created because of an explosion.

The final argument of any creationist usually includes childish insults.


By all means everyone should believe in a God that sent himself to earth to kill himself to save us from himself.

[Spitfir3]

^lol yea i rather go with the explosion

[pan3660]

Until someone can actually recreate a perfect balanced living and self sustaining environment from an explosion, I will hold on to my belief that a God exists.

[stev]

you have to be quite stupid and have an IQ of a squirrel to believe that everything was created because of an explosion.

the irony in this statement gave me cancer...

[janfar]

Until someone can actually recreate a perfect balanced living and self sustaining environment from an explosion, I will hold on to my belief that a God exists.

Which of the gods do u believe exist???

[stev]

Until someone can actually recreate a perfect balanced living and self sustaining environment from an explosion, I will hold on to my belief that a God exists.

no problem....u have 13.8 billion years to spare so I can show u?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ was just about to say that

Until someone can actually recreate a perfect balanced living and self sustaining environment from an explosion, I will hold on to my belief that a God exists.

considering it took over 10 billion years for single celled life to form on our planet after the Big Bang, I'm not sure how you plan to have someone recreate it before your eyes other than scientists using the scientific process to reconstruct how it occurred based on scientific evidence.