New evidence supports Big Bang Theory for origin of Universe

[doublesman]

Will someone care to explain this "common ancestor" u speak of? Please take your time while you google everything to post so that Myself and others can understand fully.
Also, when did we evolve to humans? Ergo, why has it taken so long to evolve again? Since I know it's a couple million years. Somebody, please enlighten us.

If you want to believe the bible without any proof whatsoever that the earth is flat, 6000 years old and that the sun revolves around the earth despite all the evidence today then there is nothing we can do to help you. There is astonishing proof that the earth is NOT flat. Scientists have gone outer space and observed this, they have images as to what the earth looks like. If you check Wikipedia you will find this, the earth is also not 6000 years old it is FACT that the earth is billions of years old.

IT IS FACT THAT THE SUN DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THE EARTH!!! It is actually the opposite. If you want to believe the bible on that nonsense well its your choice.

The creationists keep asking is 2+2 = 82 still viable in this day and age? I do like bill and say NO, 2+2=4 no matter how much you may want to believe its 82. There is astonishing proof that 2+2=4 it does not matter what you believe it does not change the truth.

So let us for the 1 millionth time go back to Biology as we cannot grasp advanced physics if people still cannot grasp basic elementary school Biology But Richard is the best Biologist there is he writes books for children to understand it, if you have 26 minutes of your time to spare he will prove it to you.

Trust me this video is worth your time, it has been his life long work to make even the most ignorant and uneducated people understand Biology. If you need proof he has a DSc, A Doctor of Science and before he retired he was the Professor of Public Understanding of Science at University of Oxford. If you cannot obtain the grades necessary to enter Oxford and then Obtain a postgraduate degree in a science subject then you are in no position to question this man especially if you don't understand basic Biology.

So gullible. Smh. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or at one point believed what you are trying to imply what I don't already know. Keep on keeping on brother. Soon you will meet your maker and it may not be by death or close experience but it may be by a life changing one. I've heard louder dogs bark.

[Advent]

I don't think the bible is changing,is men interpretation of it keeps changing.

agreed.....I retract my last statement with apologies.

thats the problem right there with the bible, can you interpret gravity or electricity ? no it is what it is

[stev]

So gullible. Smh. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or at one point believed what you are trying to imply what I don't already know. Keep on keeping on brother. Soon you will meet your maker and it may not be by death or close experience but it may be by a life changing one. I've heard louder dogs bark.

some advice: if u are confident in what u believe in...propose a counter argument...dont just brush off every comment with ignorance...

[toyota2nr]

Love this thread......

To me science can disprove religion, religion cannot disprove science.

I say to any of the religious persons here, prove to me that a god exists. Anyone who watched the first episode of Cosmos would see how far the church went to stifle science and scientific thought. They even went as far as murder. Religion has always been about blind loyalty not evidence.

Logic and science can prove that the story of Noah could NOT have been possible.

[janfar]

You all have to realise that some people have been so brainwashed into their indoctrination that it would be hard for them to grasp what we are talking about. They have been trained to believe what they have been told without question and probably have preceding generations that follow the same sect.

What most ppl don't realise is that the god they believe is the one who had the bigger gun to teach it with.

[Fuzzle]

[chillaxing]

Love this thread......

To me science can disprove religion, religion cannot disprove science.

I say to any of the religious persons here, prove to me that a god exists. Anyone who watched the first episode of Cosmos would see how far the church went to stifle science and scientific thought. They even went as far as murder. Religion has always been about blind loyalty not evidence.

Logic and science can prove that the story of Noah could NOT have been possible

Bro russel crow just proved the story of Noah is real,logic and science was Taking to long

[Advent]

Love this thread......

To me science can disprove religion, religion cannot disprove science.

I say to any of the religious persons here, prove to me that a god exists. Anyone who watched the first episode of Cosmos would see how far the church went to stifle science and scientific thought. They even went as far as murder. Religion has always been about blind loyalty not evidence.

Logic and science can prove that the story of Noah could NOT have been possible.

and thus rendering the genesis story moot, thus rendering the entire bible moot.

[RIPEBREDFRUIT]

everyone is entitled to believe in their religion, and no one should force their beliefs onto others

[uncle sam]

everyone is entitled to believe in their religion, and no one should force their beliefs onto others

;

[bluefete]

Quite a remarkable discovery not that any sane person ever doubted the big bang theory. Especially over some dude in the sky did everything.

But right now 80% of this planet still believe that the big bang is a lie and that belief based on faith and superstition is more credible than reason and evidence.

Hell we can't even get people to use basic commonsense to understand evolution. They still believe we were created from dust with the process of magic.

Abiogenesis is the theory that life can arise spontaneously from non-life molecules under proper conditions. Once the brew was mixed, eons of time allowed spontaneous chemical reactions to produce the simple “protoplasmic substance” that scientists once assumed to be the essence of life (Meyer, 1996, p. 25)

http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp



Even our Prime Minister is seen praying to the lord for answers on crime. (Not that manning was any different)

Richard Dawkins coined it quite well, they are the enemies of reason.

Still seem like there is a God to me. Science just will not admit it.

[bluefete]

BTW - Didn't this same Dawkins once proposed life originating from mud?

[chillaxing]

The way I see it god is real and science is also ,god created all that we know and science is just a sort of text/cook book for how he put everything together...Science is a way of understanding the world, not a mountain of facts. Before anyone can truly understand scientific information, they must know how science works. Science does not prove anything absolutely -- all scientific ideas are open to revision in the light of new evidence. The process of science, therefore, involves making educated guesses (hypotheses) that are then rigorously and repeatedly tested. For a better understanding of the nature and process of science.With that being said we all can learn from each other views and have a broader understanding of what we don't fully understand without any animosity and hate towards eachother we are a race that evolve everyday with science we are more aware of that god didn't create us to be a stagnant being

[VexXx Dogg]

If religions revolve around the fact that God created the Universe and everything in it, would the theory of multiverses break that logic?

Infinite gods created infinite universes at different times in an ongoing cycle of birth-growth-death of universes?

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

BTW - Didn't this same Dawkins once proposed life originating from mud?

Unless he was being sarcastic he has never made such a retarded statement.
The man is a biological scientist not a pastor.

Also science is not about believing in our present gods. The reason science won't admit it has a god is because the idea of a sky man who reincarnated himself in the form of a man to have himself hideously tortured on a cross to save us from himself seems somewhat absurd. Not to mention the idea of an intelligent being existing out of the blue is even more retarded. If there is a god then it raises an even bigger problem of who created the god. Also if you bothered to watch the video you would see Dawkins talking about the bad design flaws in humans the nerve that goes all the way down to the heart and comes back up to the voice box which makes absolutely no sense. And blood vessels in the eyes that are placed infront of the eye, any designer would never make such a stupid mistake our blood vessels are supposed to be at the back of the eye same way you out away all the TV and Computer cords behind the entertainment-center. All the design flaws of humans are what you would expect from evolution thats how they know these things.

Also in the first testament god was preaching one set ah rubbish like how its ok to have someone rape your daughter and its ok to sell your daughter into slavery etc.

Does not seem like a loving god to me. Seems like a man who try ah thing and could not get any punnany decided to write a book and say here is god's word see its ok to have someone rape your daughter, now give me your daughter.

[doublesman]

BTW - Didn't this same Dawkins once proposed life originating from mud?

Unless he was being sarcastic he has never made such a retarded statement.
The man is a biological scientist not a pastor.

Also science is not about believing in our present gods. The reason science won't admit it has a god is because the idea of a sky man who reincarnated himself in the form of a man to have himself hideously tortured on a cross to save us from himself seems somewhat absurd. Not to mention the idea of an intelligent being existing out of the blue is even more retarded. If there is a god then it raises an even bigger problem of who created the god. Also if you bothered to watch the video you would see Dawkins talking about the bad design flaws in humans the nerve that goes all the way down to the heart and comes back up to the voice box which makes absolutely no sense. And blood vessels in the eyes that are placed infront of the eye, any designer would never make such a stupid mistake our blood vessels are supposed to be at the back of the eye same way you out away all the TV and Computer cords behind the entertainment-center. All the design flaws of humans are what you would expect from evolution thats how they know these things.

Also in the first testament god was preaching one set ah rubbish like how its ok to have someone rape your daughter and its ok to sell your daughter into slavery etc.

Does not seem like a loving god to me. Seems like a man who try ah thing and could not get any punnany decided to write a book and say here is god's word see its ok to have someone rape your daughter, now give me your daughter.

Please provide evidence where your last 2 paragraphs is written about...if you cannot, well...I already know how you think and that's sad. In fact, I'll save you from embarrassment and let it slide since you have to google and whatnot. Science tries it's best to discredit religion, it even tries to recreate various scenes from religious books. Here's what...it can't. Why? Because acts of God cannot be recreated by mere men. Some of you say religious ppl are brainwashed, well that's your opinion, I just know when certain things happen it's not my own doing or science. It's acts of God. I am sure there are things that has happened to some of you that you just can't understand. Things that even science cannot prove or explain.

[janfar]

God of the gaps...

[TheOwnerPO]

you have to be quite stupid and have an IQ of a squirrel to believe that everything was created because of an explosion.

The final argument of any creationist usually includes childish insults.


By all means everyone should believe in a God that sent himself to earth to kill himself to save us from himself.

awaits replies from butthurt athiests....

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ it is a scientific fact that the moon moves further away from the earth by about 3.8 centimeters per year. The moon is not getting larger in size so your graphic there is not going to be a coincidence forever.

[desifemlove]

iz a conspiracy by de Devil to trick humans....

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

BTW - Didn't this same Dawkins once proposed life originating from mud?

Unless he was being sarcastic he has never made such a retarded statement.
The man is a biological scientist not a pastor.

Also science is not about believing in our present gods. The reason science won't admit it has a god is because the idea of a sky man who reincarnated himself in the form of a man to have himself hideously tortured on a cross to save us from himself seems somewhat absurd. Not to mention the idea of an intelligent being existing out of the blue is even more retarded. If there is a god then it raises an even bigger problem of who created the god. Also if you bothered to watch the video you would see Dawkins talking about the bad design flaws in humans the nerve that goes all the way down to the heart and comes back up to the voice box which makes absolutely no sense. And blood vessels in the eyes that are placed infront of the eye, any designer would never make such a stupid mistake our blood vessels are supposed to be at the back of the eye same way you out away all the TV and Computer cords behind the entertainment-center. All the design flaws of humans are what you would expect from evolution thats how they know these things.

Also in the first testament god was preaching one set ah rubbish like how its ok to have someone rape your daughter and its ok to sell your daughter into slavery etc.

Does not seem like a loving god to me. Seems like a man who try ah thing and could not get any punnany decided to write a book and say here is god's word see its ok to have someone rape your daughter, now give me your daughter.

Please provide evidence where your last 2 paragraphs is written about...if you cannot, well...I already know how you think and that's sad. In fact, I'll save you from embarrassment and let it slide since you have to google and whatnot. Science tries it's best to discredit religion, it even tries to recreate various scenes from religious books. Here's what...it can't. Why? Because acts of God cannot be recreated by mere men. Some of you say religious ppl are brainwashed, well that's your opinion, I just know when certain things happen it's not my own doing or science. It's acts of God. I am sure there are things that has happened to some of you that you just can't understand. Things that even science cannot prove or explain.

Science does not try to disprove god. Science is concerned with evidence only, science only cares about what is true.
What proof is there from the scriptures that we were created perfect? There is zero. But there is mountains and mountains of evidence that we evolved.

[VexXx Dogg]

Dear Science,
Please explain gravity.

Sincerely,
Religion.

[doublesman]

BTW - Didn't this same Dawkins once proposed life originating from mud?

Unless he was being sarcastic he has never made such a retarded statement.
The man is a biological scientist not a pastor.

Also science is not about believing in our present gods. The reason science won't admit it has a god is because the idea of a sky man who reincarnated himself in the form of a man to have himself hideously tortured on a cross to save us from himself seems somewhat absurd. Not to mention the idea of an intelligent being existing out of the blue is even more retarded. If there is a god then it raises an even bigger problem of who created the god. Also if you bothered to watch the video you would see Dawkins talking about the bad design flaws in humans the nerve that goes all the way down to the heart and comes back up to the voice box which makes absolutely no sense. And blood vessels in the eyes that are placed infront of the eye, any designer would never make such a stupid mistake our blood vessels are supposed to be at the back of the eye same way you out away all the TV and Computer cords behind the entertainment-center. All the design flaws of humans are what you would expect from evolution thats how they know these things.

Also in the first testament god was preaching one set ah rubbish like how its ok to have someone rape your daughter and its ok to sell your daughter into slavery etc.

Does not seem like a loving god to me. Seems like a man who try ah thing and could not get any punnany decided to write a book and say here is god's word see its ok to have someone rape your daughter, now give me your daughter.

Please provide evidence where your last 2 paragraphs is written about...if you cannot, well...I already know how you think and that's sad. In fact, I'll save you from embarrassment and let it slide since you have to google and whatnot. Science tries it's best to discredit religion, it even tries to recreate various scenes from religious books. Here's what...it can't. Why? Because acts of God cannot be recreated by mere men. Some of you say religious ppl are brainwashed, well that's your opinion, I just know when certain things happen it's not my own doing or science. It's acts of God. I am sure there are things that has happened to some of you that you just can't understand. Things that even science cannot prove or explain.

Science does not try to disprove god. Science is concerned with evidence only, science only cares about what is true.
What proof is there from the scriptures that we were created perfect? There is zero. But there is mountains and mountains of evidence that we evolved.

So mr scientist...what created the Big Bang in the first place? Why did it happen? Who is to say another Big Bang can't happen? Gases and what not expanding eh? Maybe that's GOD's way of playing a joke on scientists. A fart. Lmao.

[MG Man]

god sure did a faced up job in this 'gift' of a planet he 'created' for us.....a light source that can give us cancer, an axial tilt that gives some folks a harder time of survival, a massive supply of water that we cannot drink, vulnerability to rocks falling out of the sky and wiping us out, plate tectonics that create volcanoes, earthquakes etc, deadly germs, bacteria, viruses etc
yup.......he sure does love his children.......especially the ones who die in Africa every day from the droughts he loving gifted them with

[wickedbreed]

god sure did a faced up job in this 'gift' of a planet he 'created' for us.....a light source that can give us cancer, an axial tilt that gives some folks a harder time of survival, a massive supply of water that we cannot drink, vulnerability to rocks falling out of the sky and wiping us out, plate tectonics that create volcanoes, earthquakes etc, deadly germs, bacteria, viruses etc
yup.......he sure does love his children.......especially the ones who die in Africa every day from the droughts he loving gifted them with

Im sure to regret this, but lets see you do any better...

[Altec55]

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist
Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

That there was a creation event as described in Genesis is indisputably confirmed by this week’s Big Bang scientific breakthrough, an Israeli physicist who is also an Orthodox Jew claims. A secular Israeli professor, unsurprisingly, insists that the Bible and the Big Bang are “not related.”

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The announcement Monday that researchers had discovered further evidence of the “Big Bang” theory “isn’t going to make anyone who wasn’t a believer in God into one, or vice versa,” Professor Nathan Aviezer of Bar-Ilan University told the Times of Israel. “But one thing the announcement does do is make it clear that the universe had a definite starting point — a creation — as described in the Book of Genesis,” said Aviezer. “To deny this now is to deny scientific fact.”

Today – even before Monday’s revelations – you’d be hard-pressed to find a scientist who disputed the Big Bang theory; it’s the only one that makes scientific sense, said Professor Tsvi Piran, Schwartzmann University Chair at Hebrew University’s Racah Institute of Physics. Whether the Big Bang verifies the Biblical story of creation is another issue. “The Bible and the Big Bang theory are not related,” he said. “They speak to different audiences and describe different things.”

The Bible is not a scientific document, and those that are using it as such are doing a disservice to science, he said.

Scientists worldwide are even more convinced of the Big Bang theory after an announcement Monday by a team of American scientists. Led by astronomer John M. Kovac, the team said that it had found conclusive evidence for the existence of gravitational waves — gigantic ripples in the fabric of space-time that are caused by the sudden movement of large masses, sort of like the ripples that are created when a stone is thrown into a body of water. The existence of the waves was predicted by Albert Einstein as part of the theory of general relativity, with the waves indicating that there was a time when what would become the universe — a concentrated ball of light — “exploded” into something bigger when it was only about a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth (10 to the minus 35) of a second old.
Prof. Nathan Aviezer (photo credit: screenshot via YouTube)

Prof. Nathan Aviezer (photo credit: screenshot via YouTube)

Those gravitational waves confirm that the Big Bang happened, said Aviezer, currently a professor of physics and former chairman of the Physics Department of Bar-Ilan University. The waves, he said, also confirm the theory of cosmic inflation, which was proposed by theoretical physicist Professor Alan Guth of MIT, and explains several anomalies in the Big Bang theory.

While scientists had expected to find the waves, there had been no physical evidence of their existence — until now. “It was very hard to observe these ripples because they were so weak, due to the fact that they were produced by gravity, which tends to get ‘swallowed up’ in the much stronger electrical waves that ‘compete’ with them.” With new, advanced equipment, said Aviezer — specifically the BICEP2 (Background Imaging of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization) telescope at the Amundsen-Scott polar base in Antarctica — scientists were able to confirm the existence of the waves.

For believing Jews, the story of the Big Bang resonates perfectly with the story of creation told in Genesis, Aviezer said. “Without addressing who or what caused it, the mechanics of the creation process in the Big Bang match the Genesis story perfectly. If I had to make up a theory to match the first passages in Genesis, the Big Bang theory would be it,” said Aviezer.

According to Genesis, the universe was created from a ball of energy and light that appeared suddenly from nothingness — exactly the same ball of energy and light described in the Big Bang theory. Throughout the centuries, creation ex nihilo was considered impossible, but today it is taken as scientific fact, said Aviezer.

Accepting this has nothing to do with religion, he added; no less a personage than Cambridge University cosmologist Prof. Steven Hawking wrote that “the actual point of creation lies outside the scope of presently known laws of physics.” According to Prof. Joseph Silk of the University of California, author of a recent book on modern cosmology, “the big bang is the modern version of the creation of the universe.”
Scientists, from left, Clem Pryke, Jamie Bock, Chao-Lin Kuo and John Kovac smile during a news conference at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass., Monday, March 17, 2014, regarding their new findings on the early expansion of the universe. Scientists say that the universe was born almost 14 billion years ago, exploding into existence in an event called the Big Bang. Now these researchers say they’ve spotted evidence that a split-second later, the expansion of the cosmos got a powerful-jump start. Experts called the discovery a major advance if confirmed. (photo credit: AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

Scientists, from left, Clem Pryke, Jamie Bock, Chao-Lin Kuo and John Kovac smile during a news conference at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass., Monday, March 17, 2014, regarding their new findings on the early expansion of the universe. Scientists say that the universe was born almost 14 billion years ago, exploding into existence in an event called the Big Bang. Now these researchers say they’ve spotted evidence that a split-second later, the expansion of the cosmos got a powerful-jump start. Experts called the discovery a major advance if confirmed. (photo credit: AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

In his book, “In the Beginning,” Aviezer quotes a wide range of scientists (“and I make sure never to quote religious scientists,” he added), including Paul Dirac, a Nobel laureate from Cambridge University and a leading physicist of the twentieth century. “Dirac said very clearly that the Big Bang theory means that ‘it is certain that the universe began at a definite time through an act of creation,’ and Dirac is a big atheist.”

One doesn’t have to believe in God to accept the Bible’s point of view on the Big Bang, Aviezer said. “It’s an example of Divine irony that it took atheistic scientists like Dirac and all the others to point out the truth of the Torah. At this point I think we can say that creation is a scientific fact.”

Piran is not convinced. “I am by no means a Biblical scholar, but it seems to me that you can’t just take one passage and ignore the rest. What is described in the formation of the heavens and the earth, not to mention the Biblical account of where life came from, of course has nothing to do with science,” he said.

For Aviezer, however, those issues are not relevant to the Big Bang itself. “What happens in the rest of creation is another question,” he said. “It’s the Big Bang – the explosion of a highly concentrated chunk of energy that appeared out of nowhere to create the universe – that is being described when God says ‘let there be light.’ For 3,000 years no one really understood what ‘the light’ of Genesis was, with different interpretations talking about a ‘spiritual light,’ Aviezer said. “Now, thanks to the Big Bang theory, we can understand exactly what it means, on a physical level.”

While there are scientists who present alternative theories for the origins of the universe — and even some who still hold to the “steady state” theory that claims that the universe was always here — they are few and far between, said Aviezer. And after Monday’s revelations, most of the issues raised by scientists who argue with the Big Bang (many of them related to cosmic inflation) are now moot, as evidence of the cosmic waves further enhances the strength of the Big Bang theory.

Aviezer said that he does not make a logical leap from the Big Bang and creation ex nihilo to “proving” the existence of God. Belief and science are still two different things. “As a scientist I tell people that faith in God is just that. We will never empirically ‘prove’ the existence of God.”

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[MG Man]

god sure did a faced up job in this 'gift' of a planet he 'created' for us.....a light source that can give us cancer, an axial tilt that gives some folks a harder time of survival, a massive supply of water that we cannot drink, vulnerability to rocks falling out of the sky and wiping us out, plate tectonics that create volcanoes, earthquakes etc, deadly germs, bacteria, viruses etc
yup.......he sure does love his children.......especially the ones who die in Africa every day from the droughts he loving gifted them with

Im sure to regret this, but lets see you do any better...

excuse moi
your religious types always proclaim gawd to be perfect yadda yadda yadda.....oh how not even a single atom of this universe moves without his will, blah blah blah......
why would a perfect god make so many blunders in creating this 'perfect world' for the children he loves?
Your response reeks of ignorance and simple-mindedness

[wickedbreed]

god sure did a faced up job in this 'gift' of a planet he 'created' for us.....a light source that can give us cancer, an axial tilt that gives some folks a harder time of survival, a massive supply of water that we cannot drink, vulnerability to rocks falling out of the sky and wiping us out, plate tectonics that create volcanoes, earthquakes etc, deadly germs, bacteria, viruses etc
yup.......he sure does love his children.......especially the ones who die in Africa every day from the droughts he loving gifted them with

Im sure to regret this, but lets see you do any better...

excuse moi
your religious types always proclaim gawd to be perfect yadda yadda yadda.....oh how not even a single atom of this universe moves without his will, blah blah blah......
why would a perfect god make so many blunders in creating this 'perfect world' for the children he loves?
Your response reeks of ignorance and simple-mindedness

See that's the thing, I'm a Hindu, not Christian...we don't believe that the universe moves only by God's will.We believe in Karma, reincarnation. We believe that whatever is done there will be a consequence for that action...which is also a scientific notion. Never said that God is perfect, but what is perfection. What may not seem perfect for one may seem perfect for another. Nothing is good or bad, thinking it is makes it so. My response to you earlier wasn't actually simple minded, but I knew that it would spark an intelligent conversation that isn't blinded by a person's inability to respect other people beliefs.

[src1983]

God = an Atom

Cause its everywhere and makes up everything

lol!!!

[3stagevtec]

god sure did a faced up job in this 'gift' of a planet he 'created' for us.....a light source that can give us cancer, an axial tilt that gives some folks a harder time of survival, a massive supply of water that we cannot drink, vulnerability to rocks falling out of the sky and wiping us out, plate tectonics that create volcanoes, earthquakes etc, deadly germs, bacteria, viruses etc
yup.......he sure does love his children.......especially the ones who die in Africa every day from the droughts he loving gifted them with

Im sure to regret this, but lets see you do any better...

excuse moi
your religious types always proclaim gawd to be perfect yadda yadda yadda.....oh how not even a single atom of this universe moves without his will, blah blah blah......
why would a perfect god make so many blunders in creating this 'perfect world' for the children he loves?
Your response reeks of ignorance and simple-mindedness

See that's the thing, I'm a Hindu, not Christian...we don't believe that the universe moves only by God's will.We believe in Karma, reincarnation. We believe that whatever is done there will be a consequence for that action...which is also a scientific notion. Never said that God is perfect, but what is perfection. What may not seem perfect for one may seem perfect for another. Nothing is good or bad, thinking it is makes it so. My response to you earlier wasn't actually simple minded, but I knew that it would spark an intelligent conversation that isn't blinded by a person's inability to respect other people beliefs.

Just because 'people' believe in something doesn't make it true..

I was brought up in a Hindu home, Christian schools, I heard all the stories of karma / reincarnation / Jesus etc etc.. What I never got was evidence to support that. I was never a person to just believe what I hear / read etc.. show me a god or actual evidence for a god and I will believe that a god exists. Until then, I will follow what the evidence found on the subject points to..