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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby j.o.e » September 10th, 2014, 4:22 pm

Seems Griffith is buying cool toys with our money. I don't know why this Gov't seems to do things without it being part of a bigger picture or plan. It's like "lewwe get some big van nah" and they simultaneously say it's for hot spots and for civil unrest in different statements.
It's just like we get conflicting reports still that the SOE was to avert a coup/ assassination and then other PP Ministers say it was to arrest the murder rate.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby civicman » September 10th, 2014, 4:23 pm

All this @$$ness goin on in here
And the same muffler bearings want to pretend to have intelligent constructive debates else where.
No amount of foolish postin' here goin to affect the next election.
So if any one feel they doin their party ah favour think nàh -yuh really feel so?

Yuh feel ah tuner post makin somebody become ah Unc or ah Pnm .

Allyuh fellas decendin in to ah whole new level ah ah low
An showin why we go always have muffler bearings breeding from one generation to the next

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby SmokeyGTi » September 10th, 2014, 4:26 pm

all i know is that within 3 months of buying said vehicles they prob gonna mash up the engine (seeing as it might be hard to mash up the exterior)

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby *KRONIK* » September 10th, 2014, 4:35 pm

^^^
Dem flipping dat on the south highway normal!

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby toyolink » September 10th, 2014, 4:51 pm

civicman wrote:All this @$$ness goin on in here
And the same muffler bearings want to pretend to have intelligent constructive debates else where.
No amount of foolish postin' here goin to affect the next election.
So if any one feel they doin their party ah favour think nàh -yuh really feel so?

Yuh feel ah tuner post makin somebody become ah Unc or ah Pnm .

Allyuh fellas decendin in to ah whole new level ah ah low
An showin why we go always have muffler bearings breeding from one generation to the next

Not the most eloquent use of words but may have just hit 'the nail on the head'.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby Spitfir3 » September 10th, 2014, 5:05 pm

not really this is the old talk and news section on a public forum where people DISCUSS their views, what else would you expect here but ranting and waving? the internet clearly isn't for all

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby S_2NR » September 10th, 2014, 5:30 pm

Lol. This country is the greatest yes. sheit like this is why I stop watching news permanently

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby zoom rader » September 10th, 2014, 5:50 pm

Crackpot wrote:Zoom and dem thinking that in any unrest the same ppl they calling naggers will use these vehicles against naggers :lol:

History in this country says different, so be careful what you fanatics are glad for cuz after joy is sorrow when certain lines are crossed :evilbat:


If you refer to naggers as afros then that's up to you.

On the other hand history has shown that Afros enslave and kill their own ppl.
In trini it's afros killing each other out .

Our armed forces are mostly afros and give them the chance on their own free will they will wipe out these low life's that cause problems for the rest of decent trini folk.

Big up the arm forces and we'll done PP.
These low life's only understand brute force.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby bluefete » September 10th, 2014, 6:44 pm

And after they finish wipe out the lowlifes, who will they then turn their militarized vehicles on?

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby shotta 20 » September 10th, 2014, 7:19 pm

I support this move to obtain these vehicles. In times of need, when these vehicles come into use, the same naysayers will be glad the vehicles here.
In certain situations, the security personnel will need secure vehicles to approach/take down targets.
Don't expect them to approach certain situations in an open back Land Rover.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby pugboy » September 10th, 2014, 7:26 pm

History truly repeats itself over and over,
This is pretty much equivalent to the blimps....

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby UML » September 10th, 2014, 7:34 pm

allyuh talking like allyuh conveniently forget the police are shot at from the hills while driving through. "he was a good boy" "he never do nuttin" "he turn he life around" "he wasnt in anything illegal"

and it is not caps gun the police getting shot at with....is uzis and galils (sp. sorry i dont glorify guns as some do) etc...u name it the criminals have it!!!

dont conveniently forget grenades are available here....an officer was killed in the line of duty with a grenade...remember....or 7 days done pass and allyuh forget?!!!

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby UML » September 10th, 2014, 7:40 pm

shotta 20 wrote:I support this move to obtain these vehicles. In times of need, when these vehicles come into use, the same naysayers will be glad the vehicles here.
In certain situations, the security personnel will need secure vehicles to approach/take down targets.
Don't expect them to approach certain situations in an open back Land Rover.



nah dey wah laventille barricade drug lords like the one in jamaica (dudos?)

and dey wah we police stand up and watch and say...nah me eh going in dey nah...fuh wah tuh get kill?!!

but dey quick to complain when police fraid to come when dey call d station!!!

as we discuss everytime police vehicles are purchased....they want the police pull up with some bicycle or b14!!!

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby Spitfir3 » September 10th, 2014, 7:43 pm

lets be fair here these vehicles can be a lot more useful than that useless floating bag of air

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby UML » September 10th, 2014, 7:48 pm

speak of the devil...look what ian find yesterday.....a grenade! :roll:



ok ah fail at fb embeds :oops:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154586369490144


and dis

UML wrote:





the police hadda deal with!
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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby UML » September 10th, 2014, 7:56 pm

the caption alone says the sad state of affairs in our nation

I am coing for the man in westmoorings and the coast guard officer . I will tell you when to turn around that boat.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby randolphinshan » September 10th, 2014, 9:10 pm

pugboy wrote:History truly repeats itself over and over,
This is pretty much equivalent to the blimps....

***This***

This PP Gon't just wasting our hard earned money !!!!

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby shotta 20 » September 10th, 2014, 9:43 pm

Lol at some of the comments here.

I see this as a proactive approach instead of the regular reactive approach we accustom to.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby Slartibartfast » September 10th, 2014, 9:58 pm

Yes these vehicles are better than no vehicles and they will be fit for purpose (albeit a limited one) but that is not the argument.

The argument is that a much bigger impact could be made on crime if those same resources were focused elsewhere, like weeding out and prosecuting the white collar criminals that make drug trafficking possible in the first place as well as even regaining some money from corrupt awards of contracts through heavy fines and jail time.

It's like buying a flamethrower to get rid of ants and flys on your kitchen counter when all you really have to do is take the garbage out everyday and wipe down the counter.

Use proper planning and attack the problem at the source. Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby sliderz1 » September 10th, 2014, 10:24 pm

kjaglal76v2 wrote:
sliderz1 wrote:What a waste . do we have mechanics to fix and maintain those ?


because they work with rocket engines & alien level suspension ent

go find the Opels. Vauxhalls and Holdens and come back

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby rollingstock » September 10th, 2014, 10:48 pm

Not gonna read through this entire thread and some of the idiotic views but being on the frontline I believe it is necessary and embrace the purchase of these vehicles wholeheartedly.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby Who need enemy » September 10th, 2014, 10:55 pm

crime pays

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby shotta 20 » September 10th, 2014, 10:56 pm

^^ same thing I saying. You guys need this.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby Who need enemy » September 10th, 2014, 11:28 pm

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RAS AL KHAIMAH, UAE — Ras al-Khaimah, the fourth-largest emirate in the United Arab Emirates, is rapidly growing into a global hub for armored vehicle manufacturing, producing more than 4,000 vehicles annually, according to figures.

The tranquil northern emirate, referred to as RAK, is home to 10 major armored vehicle manufacturers that produce tactical and non-tactical trucks and cars for the growing regional market.

According to the 2014 Markets and Markets report on global armored vehicles market, the Middle East and Asia have become the sole drivers of growth worldwide.

The report stated that the development of indigenous facilities in the UAE, Jordan and Algeria provide for the expansion of the global market into new and untapped areas such as Yemen, Somalia and Libya.

A number of factors have been involved in the growth of this new manufacturing hub in the UAE, including the recent political instability brought on by the Arab Spring in the region, said Ahmed Numan, marketing director for the Ras al-Khaimah Free Trade Zone, which hosts four of the largest manufacturers in the emirate.

“The current and recent political instability in the region in neighboring countries and associated borders has led these foreign governments to bolster their internal security capabilities in civilian defense, homeland security and border control,” he said.

“Located in a politically secure and stable environment in the UAE, [the free trade zone] provides an excellent location from which to logistically access these markets for armored vehicles. It is less than an hour’s drive from Dubai International Airport, [the zone] is also easily accessible from everywhere in the UAE, and offers an excellent site for armored vehicles manufacturing plants,” he said.

The emirate is located in the northern tip of the UAE overlooking the strategic Strait of Hormuz and the Arabian Gulf. Lacking in oil reserves, the RAK government has had a history of industrial production since 1910.

“RAK today has the highest level of industrialization in the UAE, industrial work in the emirate contributed 26 percent of our [gross domestic product] last year,” Numan said.

The local government also offers cost-effective fast track services for international businesses to establish themselves in the emirate.

“The cost of renting facilities and land for development, procuring licenses and providing housing for employees, along with other costs, can be 25 to 50 percent lower in RAK than in other emirates, allowing armored vehicles companies to maximize their profits,” Numan added.

In 2006, Canadian manufacturer Streit Group set up its 1.4 million square foot facility in RAK. In June, the company signed an agreement with RAK Free Trade Zone to more than triple the size of its facility to 4.5 million square feet.

“Streit Group Vehicles in RAK was established in early 2006, which allowed us a foray into the Middle East market, allowing us logistically support the troubled areas in the region,” the company wrote in an email to Defense News.

“As of 2012, we became the largest privately owned manufacturers of armored vehicles by size and production, [and] our production capacity has reached 380 vehicles per month,” the company wrote. “Such an expansion and leverage would not be possible in other saturated free zones around the UAE.”

The expanded lease agreement with Streit will allow the company to increase production from 1,450 units to 1,500 units per year and the expansion will include a glass factory, pre-fabrication facilities, fueling stations, a helipad and support manufacturing facilities.

Numan said RAK’s development as a global manufacturing destination arose from the vision of the leadership, Sheikh Saud bin Saqr al-Qasimi, ruler of Ras al-Khaimah, who recognized that much like Dubai, Ras al-Khaimah has limited oil and gas reserves, and therefore had to focus on other resources.

“In Ras al-Khaimah, these resources include limestone, rock and clay, which allowed for the development of the cement, ceramics, manufacturing and building industries. The leadership of this emirate looked to the resources available to them, and decided to develop the heavy manufacturing industries,” Numan said.

“The continuous issues and uncertainty in just about every other country in the Middle East and North Africa has only increased the attractiveness of the UAE and Ras al-Khaimah,” he said. “When smart investors look for a place to locate their hub and their base, most of the time they figure out that the UAE is the only credible destination for foreign-direct investment [FDI], particularly the type of FDI that free zones in RAK support.”

Speaking during the inauguration of the Streit Group facility, Sheikh Saud said: “To have the world’s largest privately-owned armored vehicle facility is an achievement for the UAE and Ras al-Khaimah.”

In addition to Streit Group, Florida-based International Armored Group (IAG) set up a facility with the production capacity of 80 to 100 vehicles per month. IAG builds and supplies armored vehicles to governments, armed forces, security consultants, contractors, non-governmental organizations and diplomatic missions.

TAG Middle East FZE, a supplier of specialized vehicle assembly and products and UAE-based Ultimate Armour Works, a manufacturer, both stated that they chose the emirate because of the cost effectiveness and logistical value.

Numan stated that for the protection of its armored vehicles industry clients, the free trade zone cannot divulge the measures and features that it has but stated that the most up-to-date technologies and tactics are employed to ensure protection of the sites.

The emirate is planning to further expand its armored vehicle production facilities.

“We are going to continue to expand the cluster of armored vehicles in [the free trade zone], the next step is supporting the cluster by bringing in related businesses such as parts manufacturers, including companies that make shock absorbers, armored glass, etc. We will bring in the rest of the value chain to support the armored vehicle assembly cluster,” Numan said.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby Michael Knight... » September 10th, 2014, 11:46 pm

What is an urban assault vehicle going to do exactly? Are there protocols in place for this thing to be shut down if it gets into the wrong hands?



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I'm not against it, just want to know.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby Habit7 » September 11th, 2014, 7:49 am

I heard its just 6. I have no prob with just 6.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby zoom rader » September 11th, 2014, 7:55 am

^^^ That's what you get with mis truths from trini media especially the Express and TV6.
Trini media puts the gullible public on a tangent and when truth comes out they play it down.

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby kjaglal76v2 » September 11th, 2014, 7:56 am

sliderz1 wrote:
kjaglal76v2 wrote:
sliderz1 wrote:What a waste . do we have mechanics to fix and maintain those ?


because they work with rocket engines & alien level suspension ent

go find the Opels. Vauxhalls and Holdens and come back


daz not the fault of mechanic incompetence, thaz jus d fault of after sales support.

any dummy with tool & a workshop manual cud replace & repair anything

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby Les Bain » September 11th, 2014, 8:04 am

kjaglal76v2 wrote:
sliderz1 wrote:
kjaglal76v2 wrote:
sliderz1 wrote:What a waste . do we have mechanics to fix and maintain those ?


because they work with rocket engines & alien level suspension ent

go find the Opels. Vauxhalls and Holdens and come back


daz not the fault of mechanic incompetence, thaz jus d fault of after sales support.

any dummy with tool & a workshop manual cud replace & repair anything


If it's that simple, how come they've found no dummies to do the servicing then?

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Re: Armoured vehicles necessary?

Postby 1UZFE » September 11th, 2014, 8:07 am

How would dem vehicles fit on the narrow roads in Lavantille and Sea Lots?

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