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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby Slartibartfast » October 11th, 2014, 9:29 pm

pioneer wrote:Vacay and Sick Leave?

Travelling allowance?


ISIS is basically a vacation for them, they never sick and they allowed to travel... sometimes even if they don't want to.

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Postby joker » October 11th, 2014, 9:49 pm

wat if they die on the job , do they get workmen comp?

if dey want to go let them go .... but doh come back here .

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Postby Slartibartfast » October 11th, 2014, 10:06 pm

joker wrote:wat if they die on the job , do they get workmen comp?
Matyrdom and 72 virgins

Like allyuh didn't read the FAQs or what?

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Postby joker » October 11th, 2014, 10:15 pm

why would some one want 72 virgins? dem mad ?

1 bad ting and you g2g

o wait is blood they like ?!

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby Slartibartfast » October 11th, 2014, 10:22 pm

Same thing I wanna know. Cuz it's not like you could die from an STD in the afterlife. Who want to go through showing a girl the ropes... 72 times. Bess they give me an internet connection with an incognito browser.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby pioneer » October 11th, 2014, 11:07 pm

ISIS people just seeing this as part of the scripture...judgement day is coming and all the chips are falling into place.

For people who don't know...please have a read...both christian and islamic versions are similar. Long read, but it can help understand what fuels ISIS.

http://rapturewatch.wordpress.com/2010/ ... -of-islam/

I need to highlight this:

There are a number of minor signs that are peculiar to Islam. They are as follows:

1. Women will outnumber men by 50 to 1. (No reason is given, but it is likely due to the expectation of many jihad martyrs in the end times.)

2. The caliphate (the seat of Islamic authority) will be established in the Holy Land. (This prophecy is a problem. What was meant by “Holy Land?” If it refers to Palestine, it is unfulfilled. If it refers to Saudi Arabia, it was fulfilled 1400 years ago.)

3. The Arabs will be destroyed. (This is another troublesome prophecy. What does “destroyed” mean? The Ottoman Empire, controlled by Turkish non-Arabs, conquered all the Middle East in the 1500’s. Some argue this was a fulfillment of the prophecy. But it did not lead to “the Hour.” And now the Arab nations have reasserted themselves.)

4. The habitations of Medina must be greatly extended.

5. The Muslims must fight the Turks and “the people whose shoes are made of hair.” (This has been applied to past battles with the Turks and the Tartars. Yet, “the Hour” has not come.)

6. The Arabs must conquer Constantinople. (The city, now called Istanbul, was conquered by Muslims in the 15th Century, but not by Arabs.)

7. Mecca will be reduced to ruins.

8. A people will emerge who eat with their tongues as cows do.

9. Time will contract, with a year being like a month and a month like a week.

10. Wild beasts will speak to men.

11. The Euphrates River will uncover a mountain of gold.


re: #2 - The "holy land" has not been determined, I would like to think ISIS believes the holy land is Iraq/Syria, and however far they intend to push. They want to establish the caliphate in that region.

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The Major Signs

9. A Great Fire will break out “south of Eden” (in the area known today as Yemen). The conflagration will become worldwide and will be so intense that it will drive Mankind to the place of final assembly before the Day of Resurrection. That place will be in Syria (which includes modern day Palestine).


Which further supports my theory that ISIS believes the holy land is Iraq/Syria. Matter of fact, non-isis muslims believe the same thing.
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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby pioneer » October 11th, 2014, 11:09 pm

Those prophecies were laid down by the muslim prophet, it is what the majority of muslims (ISIS and regulars) believe in.

Bone chilling none the less.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby Slartibartfast » October 11th, 2014, 11:16 pm

But let's be real tho... They know he was trolling for numbers 9, 10 and 11 right. We just have to convince them to wait for those prophecies to be fulfilled and we won't have to worry about them.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby pioneer » October 11th, 2014, 11:37 pm

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Why ... 17651.html

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Mother of SoE detainee Shane Crawford:

By asha javeed asha.javeed@trinidadexpress.com
Story Created: Oct 11, 2014 at 9:40 PM ECT
Story Updated: Oct 11, 2014 at 9:40 PM ECT
Eleven months ago, 29-year-old Shane Crawford sold his valuables—a van and a big screen TV— to make up money for the airfare to go to war-torn Syria.

Crawford, a Muslim also known as “Asadullah”, wanted to fight on the side of militant organisation Islamic State (ISIS) in the civil war that has plagued Syria since 2011.

He didn’t tell his mother, Joan, whom he lived with at Enterprise Village, Chaguanas, about his plans.

On November 27, 2013, Crawford and one of his two wives travelled to Caracas, then to London and Turkey before they made it to Syria to join the ISIS cause.

“He called a week later to say where he was,” said Joan in an interview with the Sunday Express at her rented, dilapidated, and wooden home last Friday.

While she seemed visibly distressed, she invited the Sunday Express into her home.

Joan, clad in black hijab, had a copy of last Friday’s Express on her couch. While she does not usually purchase the newspaper, on that day she bought one to see the story written about Crawford, the last of her six children.

Caribbean Communications Network’s (CCN) Multimedia Investigative Journalist Mark Bassant had identified Crawford as one of the men in an ISIS video posted on YouTube, bathing in the Euphrates River which starts in eastern Turkey and flows through Iraq and Syria.

Joan said the video that showed Crawford taking a bath in the Euphrates was taken from a phone which he had lost during combat.

Joan said the video was posted in January, which was when she saw it, and neither police nor intelligence officers had sought her out to comment on it.

She said it was only recently that the video was making the rounds in the local media and her son was once again being branded a terrorist.

This time, though, she is glad he is out of the country and has no intention of returning.

“Anybody who left for Syria, they are not coming back here,” she said.

Asked to elaborate, she explained that people weren’t leaving Trinidad by themselves but were taking their families along with them.

“They are not coming back,” she stated emphatically.

She has reconciled the fact that she will not see her son in the flesh again either because he will not return home or he might die fighting.


But she communicates with him through social media like Skype and Whats App since his Facebook profile was deleted.

“Facebook deleted his profile. He didn’t do it,” she said.

And he calls to check up on her, she said.

She said she has to wait for him to communicate with her because he doesn’t answer when she calls.

The Sunday Express asked that Joan communicate a request to Crawford to interview him on his decision to fight for ISIS.

Late Saturday evening, Joan said Crawford had called but after she relayed the request, he said he could not speak with the media.

“He said he’s not allowed. They have a policy on that. No media,” she told the Sunday Express.



Crawford’s History


Joan said Crawford’s decision to leave Trinidad to fight in Syria was prompted by the inadequacy of what his life had become in Trinidad and the need to find a greater purpose.

In October 2011, Crawford was detained during the State of Emergency for being part of a plot to kill Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and three Cabinet ministers and to cause panic in the country.

Despite being detained for 14 days, no charges were laid against him or 15 other men after the police failed to provide sufficient evidence for them to be charged in relation to a conspiracy to murder Persad-Bissessar and three members of her Cabinet.

But Joan conceded that Crawford had had trouble with the law before.

In 2010, Crawford appeared before the Arima court on charges of allegedly being in possession of a Glock 9mm pistol, 110 live rounds of assorted ammunition and four firearm magazines.

He was jointly charged with his wife Jamilla Onika Luqman, 22, of Bournes Road, St James, and Wallerfield, and Milton John Algernon, also known as Fareed Mustapha, 38, of Hibiscus Arch Road, Rio Claro and Campo Village, Cunupia.

Algernon was once a director of the Trinidad and Tobago Agricultural Society and the vice-president of the Goat and Sheep Society.

After being charged together in 2010, both Crawford and Algernon were detained during the SOE and both men travelled to Syria together with their families in 2013.

Joan recalled that during the SOE, the police had called her and said they were looking for her son.

Joan said he was out on bail for the ammunition charge and had to check in with the police regularly.

“I called him and was worried. I asked him what is it he had done again. He said he didn’t know. He went himself to the Cunupia Police Station saying that he heard they were looking for him and after that they detained him,” she said.

“But he was never the same. He used to say how the men would ask each other what exactly they were detained for because no one told them.”

Crawford and Algernon were detained at the Eastern Correctional and Rehabilitation Centre in Santa Rosa.


Life after SOE


Joan recalled that Crawford spent two years after being detained during the SOE selling fish along the Southern Main Road in Enterprise.

“You know how difficult it is for him to get a work after his own country branded him a terrorist? Wanting to kill his own Prime Minister? It affected him, he is not a talkative person but I knew,” she said.

The Sunday Express went to Enterprise on Friday and spoke to two acquaintances of Crawford.

One recalled that not only was Crawford selling fish, but he also worked taxi from Port of Spain to Chaguanas.

Another recalled that Crawford attended El Dorado Secondary School.

“From since school he was a tough one, he was a deviant,” one of them recalled.

“He was a man who would take his Muslim wear seriously. He was always wearing his clothes. Even when he was selling fish,” the other acquaintance recalled.

“But he was also a ladies man, he always had these girls around him,” he added.

Crawford, the men explained, had a good education.

Joan produced his school certificates to show that in 2002, he scored five Caribbean Examination Council (CXC) subjects, including English Language, Integrated Science, Mathematics, Mechanical Engineering Technology and Technical Drawing as well as a course on Best Practice Behaviour.

In 2003, he did an Adolescent Development Programme at the El Socorro Regional Life Centre and in 2004, Crawford completed a certificate from Servol for PC Systems Servicing and Troubleshooting.

After secondary school, Crawford converted to Islam.

The Sunday Express also visited the home where Crawford grew up with his uncle which was also along the Southern Main Road.

His step-aunt said she had not seen him in a long time and had lost his number. When the Sunday Express pointed out that he was not in the country but was in a video, she was unaware that he had left the country.

Joan said after the SOE, her son was frightened to venture out.

“He would stay inside and play his games, he liked video games,” she said.

“Not everyone can take oppression. You lash out in different ways. He left to fight. He believes in what he is doing.”


The ISIS life


So is Crawford making US$1,000 a day to fight for ISIS?

“Well, if he is, I am not seeing it,” said his mother as she waved her hand around her meagre apartment which she rents for $1,000 a month.

CNN had reported that ISIS recruits were being paid US$1,000 a day to fight for them.

But Joan said that is all part of the propaganda, which has come from the Western media.

She said she lives off her disability grant of $1,500 and a food card of $400 from which she covers her rent and food.

She said Crawford and his family have been given living accommodations and food and shelter but are not given the money which it is alleged that he makes.

When the Sunday Express questioned her on the beheadings which have become a trademark of the terror organisation, she quickly responded: “I have seen them and I have asked my son and he says he is not involved in that.”

So what exactly is he involved in?

“He is fighting. He does not believe in raping women and killing children. It is those crimes which were being committed in Syria which prompted him to go and fight,” she said.

“His life is better. He has purpose. He has his family and he is not coming back here,” she said.

Asked if she was aware of more families that had left, Joan was quiet. She chose not to talk about it.

“The Middle East is a big place. If you feel oppressed, there are many places to go,” she said.

But will she go?

The quick answer was “No”.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby Slartibartfast » October 11th, 2014, 11:42 pm

I sure there was also a time when he had no intention of going to Syria. Circumstances change and people change their minds.

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Postby Redman » October 12th, 2014, 8:41 am

equipped2ripp wrote:it's an average of $1000US per month, not per day. they also get a stipend for their wife/wives and children, as well as housing (living in abandoned homes).


Hope they know that BEFORE they reach

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Postby equipped2ripp » October 12th, 2014, 12:28 pm

well seeing that most of the recruits are living in poverty wherever they may be, $1000US is very attractive.

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Postby pioneer » October 12th, 2014, 12:32 pm

Yepp and they gonna come back to live in poverty and victimisation/harassment by the state.

But RASC say dey comin back to link wid dey imam.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 12th, 2014, 1:02 pm

Can someone post the CNN or international media report where they said ISIS fighters were making US$1000 / day?
When I search for it all I get are T&T media reports.

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Postby pioneer » October 12th, 2014, 1:39 pm

Mark Bassant prolly has his sauce.

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Postby Slartibartfast » October 12th, 2014, 1:48 pm

I only heard about the US$1000/day thing in local media. Everywhere else said it was a month. I think it's most likely because CNN was talking about people migrating from Europe which right there when trinis coming from all the way down here.

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Postby joker » October 12th, 2014, 2:04 pm

ent mark have a 20k hit on e head? he still reporting?
better dem them fellas join MAS ..they woulda make more and less publicity .

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Postby mars » October 13th, 2014, 12:30 am

Read everything here: http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/

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Postby rspann » October 13th, 2014, 2:29 pm

The redman went to school servol right next door to me, bwdmc, like I surrounded by Isis?

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Postby pioneer » October 13th, 2014, 6:17 pm

Allyuh realise ISIS spelt backwards is SISI?

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Postby pioneer » October 13th, 2014, 7:23 pm

Inb4 chuna ISIS "experts"

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/UWI ... 64401.html

By Gyasi Gonzales gyasi.gonzales@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Oct 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM ECT
Story Updated: Oct 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM ECT

UNIVERSITY criminologist Dr Daurius Figueira says that locals who are considering joining the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) terror group should consider that it is in fact an anarchic and dictatorial organisation, where certain individuals wield power and do everything in their means to amass wealth and their actions are in contradiction to the moral precepts of Islam.

The University of the West Indies lecturer spoke to the Express on Thursday amid growing concern that Trinidadians have been appearing in videos purporting to be from the group, which has gained notoriety for beheading its hostages, including members of the media.

“People are investing in ISIS their own belief system and they are touting that as ISIS, but they are not the official heads of the organisation because they don’t talk to the organisation,” said Figueira.
“Some people insist that ISIS is the forerunner of the great apocalyptic war that will come as they believe in an Islamic version of the end times and they believe in a battle very much similar in the book of Revelations in the battle of Armageddon,” he added.

“They believe that after that battle the second coming of Jesus Christ will occur so therefore they (ISIS members) see their role as Muslims to try to do everything in their personal power to make this battle happen.

“People must understand that the inner elite that wields the power in ISIS trace their lineage to Ayman al Zarquii, because he was the resident anarchist in Iraq following the American invasion,” Figueira explained.

“He believed that you had to purge Islam of all its sects and divisions that he considered to be apostate. He also insisted that the Shia and certain members of the Sunni faith were also apostate and you must kill them all as their thought processes tended to read very much like Nazi Germany, with its final solution and purging, so that’s the origin of the leadership.”

Figueira added: “The hard fact of the matter is that many Muslims who support ISIS will not even pass the strict stipulation with regards to what ISIS believes to be a fit and proper Muslim and in their estimation such persons you just terminate.”

The UWI lecturer noted he read that in the towns in Syria which were taken over by the group, where executions were required to be performed, they did so but with every man, woman and child present, with no exceptions.

He also added that besides the execution of what they regarded as “unfit Muslims”, the ISIS fighters also tend to gather the imams of the community and give them the clear choice that they are disallowed to conduct their prayers until they attended a sort of ISIS school of theology and then they graduate, following which they are given a licence to preach.

“So therefore the point of control on any community they take over is focussed on the Masjid because it becomes the toll of thought control and if you refuse to abide they kill you.”

I see pioQueer mention ISIS and end of times....but hey what does he know

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 13th, 2014, 8:43 pm

^ that article was either badly written or what the lecturer wrote was badly written.

I don't think the plan is for anyone going there to fight to come back, but it may be the plan of the ISIS leaders to send people to countries to carry out attacks mostly in USA, UK, Australia and France.

What I don't get though is that many people are saying ISIS does not represent Islam and what ISIS are doing is not Islam, yet there is no mass public outrage and protests against ISIS the way there was for drawings of the prophet or even the Israel attacks on Gaza. I'd think this ISIS situation would be far worse since ISIS are claimed to be grossly misrepresenting Islam and using the sacred name of Islam to carry out these terrible acts. ISIS refer to themselves as the Islamic State. The ISIS flag carries part of the shahada (an Islamic creed declaring belief in the oneness of God and the acceptance of Muhammad as God's prophet) and it also carried the seal of the prophet which they fly prominently as they go around carrying out acts that most muslims are claiming are not Islamic. Why no mass public outrage? No social media outrage?

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Postby zoom rader » October 14th, 2014, 4:01 am

^^^ You can't say that the express articles are badly written, tuners believes every nook and cranny in the express.

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Postby Chimera » October 14th, 2014, 6:59 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ that article was either badly written or what the lecturer wrote was badly written.

I don't think the plan is for anyone going there to fight to come back, but it may be the plan of the ISIS leaders to send people to countries to carry out attacks mostly in USA, UK, Australia and France.

What I don't get though is that many people are saying ISIS does not represent Islam and what ISIS are doing is not Islam, yet there is no mass public outrage and protests against ISIS the way there was for drawings of the prophet or even the Israel attacks on Gaza. I'd think this ISIS situation would be far worse since ISIS are claimed to be grossly misrepresenting Islam and using the sacred name of Islam to carry out these terrible acts. ISIS refer to themselves as the Islamic State. The ISIS flag carries part of the shahada (an Islamic creed declaring belief in the oneness of God and the acceptance of Muhammad as God's prophet) and it also carried the seal of the prophet which they fly prominently as they go around carrying out acts that most muslims are claiming are not Islamic. Why no mass public outrage? No social media outrage?



Because while they wont openly support it, they will be happy if isis succeeds in making a islamic world. Same thing after the mall attack in nairobi where a trini was killed. No islamic society down here condemn those attacks and say how that isnt what islam represents.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby Redman » October 14th, 2014, 7:25 am

Trinis fraid badass muslims.

If a person heads across to MENA and fights for ISIS and returns....

Is it that he will be detained-where and by who?

Under the local law-whats the charge?
Or is it that he will be handed over to the US??

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Postby pioneer » October 14th, 2014, 8:23 am

zoom rader wrote:^^^ You can't say that the express articles are badly written, tuners believes every nook and cranny in the express.


Anything Mark Bassant says is gold.

He is yet to issue an apology/amendment to his $1000USD per day ISIS stipend.

Is he recruiting for ISIS?

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Postby 1UZFE » October 14th, 2014, 9:37 am

pioneer wrote:
zoom rader wrote:^^^ You can't say that the express articles are badly written, tuners believes every nook and cranny in the express.


Anything tim tim says is gold.


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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby shogun » October 14th, 2014, 9:46 am

Slartibartfast wrote:Same thing I wanna know. Cuz it's not like you could die from an STD in the afterlife. Who want to go through showing a girl the ropes... 72 times.


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