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Postby mark2.0 » June 27th, 2015, 2:18 am

Gay marriage declared legal across the US in historic supreme court ruling
With 5-4 ruling in Obergefell v Hodges, justices determine right to marriage equality is protected under constitution in decision hailed as ‘victory of love’

In what may prove the most important civil rights case in a generation, five of the nine court justices determined that the right to marriage equality was enshrined under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

Victory in the case – known as Obergefell v Hodges, after an Ohio man who sued the state to get his name listed on his late husband’s death certificate – capped years of campaigning by LGBT rights activists, high-powered attorneys and couples waiting decades for the justices to rule. It immediately led to scenes of jubilation from coast to coast, as campaigners, politicians and everyday people – gay, straight and in-between – hailed “a victory of love”.

The ruling, in which Justice Anthony Kennedy cast the deciding vote, means the number of states where gay marriage is legal will rise – albeit after some stalling – from 37 to 50

“This ruling is a victory for America,” the president said. “This decision affirms what millions of Americans already believe in their hearts: when all Americans are treated as equal, we are all more free.”

Four liberal justices and Kennedy rejected claims made by lawyers during the legal argument in April that marriage was defined by law solely to encourage procreation within stable family units – and therefore could only meaningfully apply to men and women.

“The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity,” wrote Kennedy.

“The petitioners in these cases seek to find that liberty by marrying someone of the same sex and having their marriages deemed lawful on the same terms and conditions as marriages between persons of the opposite sex,” he added.

Crucially, the majority ruling argues that the court has frequently exercised jurisdiction over the definition of marriage in previous cases and is not overstepping its constitutional role by intervening now.

“This Court’s cases have expressed constitutional principles of broader reach. In defining the right to marry these cases have identified essential attributes of that right based in history, tradition and other constitutional liberties inherent in this intimate bond,”

Takano nonetheless cautioned that there remained legal obstacles ahead, insisting that a comprehensive civil rights act would be required to ensure that LGBT individuals do not face housing and employment discrimination, among other barriers. But he was optimistic that the ruling had set the tone.

Georgia was one of several states that began to issue marriage licenses immediately following the decision. Kathie DeNobriga, the mayor of Atlanta suburb Pine Lake who married her long-term partner out of state last year as one of the few openly gay politicians in the American south, called the court ruling “a victory of love in opposition to fear”.

“It was like I was sneaking away to get married,” she said. “Now we all have not the privilege, but a right to get married where we are.”

Legal same-sex weddings were taking place for the first time on Friday across Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota and Tennessee, even as the attorneys general in Texas and Mississippi said marriages could not take place immediately.

Texas attorney general Ken Paxton issued a long statement suggesting he would attempt to fight the legalisation of gay marriage by asserting the “religious liberties” of clerks and officials.

Louisiana attorney general Buddy Caldwell also released a statement saying that the decision “overturns the will of the people of Louisiana” and that “nothing in today’s decision makes the court’s order effective immediately”.

But Mississippi attorney general Jim Hood later backtracked after initially ordering clerks not to issue licenses “immediately”. He subsequently clarified that his office “is certainly not standing in the way of the supreme court’s decision”.

Every summer Friday, the Wayne County clerk’s office in Detroit holds mass wedding ceremonies to accommodate the seasonal increase in marriages. On Friday, that included same-sex marriages, though the county clerk’s office didn’t have a specific number just before it closed for the day.

“There’s really been nothing different, we’ve just been handling things like we do every business day,” said Jina Sawani, a spokesperson for the office.

Starting on Monday, mass weddings will be held at the office every weekday at 3pm.

“That is not to say the right to marry is less meaningful for those who do not or cannot have children,” writes Kennedy, after pointing out the advantages for children of same-sex couples. “An ability, desire, or promise to procreate is not and has not been a prerequisite for a valid marriage in any State.”

And in perhaps the most sweeping section of the lengthy ruling, Kennedy rejected the concern expressed by chief justice John Roberts that the court should not get too far ahead of traditional conceptions of marriage that are limited to a man and a woman.

“The right to marry is fundamental as a matter of history and tradition, but rights come not from ancient sources,” writes Kennedy. “They rise, too, from a better informed understanding of how constitutional imperatives define a liberty that remains urgent in our own era.”

In one of four separate dissents, Roberts attacked the decision, arguing: “This Court is not a legislature. Whether same-sex marriage is a good idea should be of no concern to us. Under the Constitution, judges have power to say what the law is, not what it should be.”

But the five justices in the majority argued that depriving them of marriage equality “serve[d] to disrespect and subordinate” gay and lesbian people.

“It is now clear that the challenged laws burden the liberty of same-sex couples, and it must be further acknowledged that they abridge central precepts of equality,” they argued. “Especially against a long history of disapproval of their relationships, this denial to same-sex couples of the right to marry works a grave and continuing harm.”

Lawyers advising couples looking to take advantage of the historic ruling warned that it could take some time for states to react.

“Uniform implementation of the ruling state by state will undoubtedly take time,” said Robert Stanley, a partner in Beverly Hills family law firm Jaffe and Clemens. “Certainly, some states are expected to rebel and stall implementation as long as possible.”

The nation’s highest tribunal last weighed marriage equality in 2012, with challenges to California’s effective ban on same-sex marriages, known as Proposition 8, and a key provision of the federal Defense of Marriage Act (Doma).

The justices then ruled in favor of marriage equality proponents, but ducked the question of whether gay marriage was a constitutional right.

Roberta Kaplan, the lawyer who successfully argued the Doma case, said “there is nothing” in Friday’s ruling that she was concerned about that could lead to major legal challenges.

“This is the pinnacle of our success so far,” she told the Guardian. “It is hard for me to see now that any court, anywhere, state or federal, could possibly tolerate discrimination against gay people on any basis.”

The rulings nonetheless kicked off a wave of decisions among courts across the country that struck down state-level bans on same-sex marriage and accelerated a trend that has seen the number of states allowing such weddings soar from just two in 2008, to all 50 in 2015 – plus the District of Colombia, from where a national celebration was only beginning on Friday morning.

The US becomes the 21st country to recognise same-sex marriage across the country.

“Love is love,” Obama said.
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Re: gay marriage legal across 50 states

Postby De Dragon » June 27th, 2015, 5:56 am

Doh let Fagnaldo see this ched eh ollour.................

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Postby mark2.0 » June 27th, 2015, 7:13 am

Dey say trinis could go up and tie the knot! :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Postby K74T » June 27th, 2015, 9:14 am

Dai dem yes.

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Postby Ronaldo95163 » June 27th, 2015, 10:10 am

De Dragon wrote:Doh let Fagnaldo see this ched eh ollour.................



Hating them makes me one of them now???

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Postby SMc » June 27th, 2015, 10:18 am

^^Don't worry we wont think any differently of you. (congrats BTW)

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Postby *OUTSIDER* » June 27th, 2015, 11:06 am

Thats good for dem... Moe woman for we

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » June 27th, 2015, 11:15 am

*OUTSIDER* wrote:Thats good for dem... Moe woman for we
it includes women marrying women

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Re: gay marriage legal across 50 states

Postby Daran » June 27th, 2015, 11:49 am

Lol reading all the antigay comments one Express's facebook page.

Man, I weep for the future of Trinidad, I really did not realize people here were so backward and dotish. No wonder Kamla said she wishes she could pass LGBT rights legislation in Trinidad, but the country aint ready for it yet.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/trin ... hate181212

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Postby eurotuner » June 27th, 2015, 12:39 pm

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Postby Morpheus » June 27th, 2015, 12:47 pm

So because you not for gay marriage you backward and dotish? LoL. Real sparks going to fly...

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Postby desifemlove » June 27th, 2015, 12:57 pm

equal rights for all....doh care if it 'against God!'

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Re: gay marriage legal across 50 states

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » June 27th, 2015, 1:55 pm

I really dont' see what all the beatup is about

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » June 27th, 2015, 2:23 pm

nick639 wrote:Just how the fags and les can't help who they in love with, Well I guess just now incest and pedophilia would be supported?? Cuz they can't help it either ... Jus saying.....
that is a logical fallacy. You are begging the question.

You are supporting your argument by claiming as fact that "they can't help it" i.e. you are claiming that LGBT people know it is wrong but can't help it. You are claiming that LGBT people are addicted to what they do.

Also there is a fundamental difference between gay marriage and incest or pedophilia: Marriage is between two consenting adults.

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Postby Ronaldo95163 » June 27th, 2015, 2:46 pm

^But bullers gay from small (and they grow up practising it) its a shame that many of their families don't disown them...
Pedophiles claim they born that way
So do rapists. So why lock them up and allow bullers to live a free life?


Once they keep that nonsense to themselves over there and doh bring any of that dotishness down here nah.

The KKK stood for one good thing yes.

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Postby SMc » June 27th, 2015, 2:58 pm

nick639 wrote:Just how the fags and les can't help who they in love with, Well I guess just now incest and pedophilia would be supported?? Cuz they can't help it either ... Jus saying.....


Consent is a quite an important term that you seem to not understand...fags and les as you catergorise them are not on the same level as incest and pedophilia, and really its not hard to make that distinction

Also don't understand why this is an issue as most of the '2nrs' wont ever step foot in the US, and if they did would not immediately be raped on arrival by a bunch of horny gays.


Anyway I hope you are given a chance to work outside TT as it may actually break you knowing these people actually have jobs in the real world.

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Postby ruffneck_12 » June 27th, 2015, 4:08 pm

Ronaldo95163 wrote:^But bullers gay from small (and they grow up practising it) its a shame that many of their families don't disown them...
Pedophiles claim they born that way
So do rapists. So why lock them up and allow bullers to live a free life?


Once they keep that nonsense to themselves over there and doh bring any of that dotishness down here nah.

The KKK stood for one good thing yes.



I trying to understand what a loving same sex couple, and a violent rapist abusing a victim have in common.

(besides appearing deviant in the eyes of a god that may or may not exist, that may or may not have eyes)

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Re: gay marriage legal across 50 states

Postby The Paleontologist » June 27th, 2015, 4:14 pm

Soooo......... anyone wants to go to the US with me?;-)

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Postby mark2.0 » June 27th, 2015, 4:51 pm

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Postby zoom rader » June 27th, 2015, 5:33 pm

Ronaldo95163 wrote:^But bullers gay from small (and they grow up practising it) its a shame that many of their families don't disown them...
Pedophiles claim they born that way
So do rapists. So why lock them up and allow bullers to live a free life?


Once they keep that nonsense to themselves over there and doh bring any of that dotishness down here nah.

The KKK stood for one good thing yes.


Tuner ban the confederate flag bro. I guess they have gay mods on tuner

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Postby The Paleontologist » June 27th, 2015, 5:34 pm

Time to legalise polygamy now

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Postby moses_boss12 » June 27th, 2015, 5:51 pm

zoom rader wrote:
Ronaldo95163 wrote:^But bullers gay from small (and they grow up practising it) its a shame that many of their families don't disown them...
Pedophiles claim they born that way
So do rapists. So why lock them up and allow bullers to live a free life?


Once they keep that nonsense to themselves over there and doh bring any of that dotishness down here nah.

The KKK stood for one good thing yes.


Tuner ban the confederate flag bro. I guess they have gay mods on tuner


Don't know why they don't ban you permanently.:roll:

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Postby Morpheus » June 27th, 2015, 6:06 pm

moses_boss12 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Ronaldo95163 wrote:^But bullers gay from small (and they grow up practising it) its a shame that many of their families don't disown them...
Pedophiles claim they born that way
So do rapists. So why lock them up and allow bullers to live a free life?


Once they keep that nonsense to themselves over there and doh bring any of that dotishness down here nah.

The KKK stood for one good thing yes.


Tuner ban the confederate flag bro. I guess they have gay mods on tuner


Don't know why they don't ban you permanently.:roll:


^^You going up for election? :lol:

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Postby shogun » June 27th, 2015, 7:02 pm

I still stand by the fact that i think ZR is the second account of another well known tuner.

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