Hiring discrimination against tattoos and piercings

[bora_dog]

was just wondering on peoples views and experiences on this

[SSSavage]

As long as the tattoos are discreet and not covering your face and do not have obscene words or images on them that's fine. Same with piercings. If they are simple like earrings or a small nose stud then that's fine.
Anything other than that is really your own fault if you can't get a job.
Don't expect the employer to be impressed with your nose ring or facial tattoos.
If you have unusual piercings just take them off for the day and you're good.

[Cantmis]

What type of job ?

[toyolink]

Personal image/presentation cannot be dismissed when job hunting.
This rule about seeking a job is as old as any other.

[MaxPower]

Very annoying when putting employment, tattoos and discrimination in one sentence...

Reminds me of that kant from Colfire who was dismissed cuz of some untidy hair, cant rem that fool name...anyways, it have nothing to do with discriminating, it just proper work etiquette....

People expect to turn their entire body into a coloring book and expect employment?

[Hyperion]

People expect zero consequences for their actions, and they get a rude awakening when they get slapped with a dose of reality.

If you want to tattoo your bae name across your neck like a thug and the expect to get a job representing a company, then limit your job searches to tattoo parlours and bars. I for one would not hire you.

[AstonMartV]

Yep they turn up for a job interview with swanky empress Gaza queen tattoo over their chest, baby powder on their neck, eyebrow, tongue piercings and gold ganja earrings. Funny thing is some have the experience and good qualifications but the attitude and look, people don’t want that for their business.

[Redman]

How do tattoos and piercing differ from Hijab?
In terms of an employer saying he doesn't want a
X with a tattoo
Y with a piercing
Or Z with hijab or other overtly religious garb.

[AstonMartV]

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If they could cover it up and maintain a level of professionalism then I wouldn’t have a problem. Depends on the job imo. If he’s a lawyer, doctor, salesman etc. Cover up. But if a man come looking for a job and say he’s a tile man looking like the second pic but he doing good work, I’d hire him. Depends on the environment. Can’t expect a lawyer to turn up in a courtroom looking like pic #2.

[airuma]

The adage "birds of a feather flock together" does not work in favor of tattoos or piercings IMHO. I know a pediatrician, very brilliant person, possibly the most brilliant person I know. Very decent person too. Has eyebrow, tongue and lip piercings and tattoos. Will you take your child to that pediatrician if these "embellishments" are not hidden?

[AstonMartV]

The adage "birds of a feather flock together" does not work in favor of tattoos or piercings IMHO. I know a pediatrician, very brilliant person, possibly the most brilliant person I know. Very decent person too. Has eyebrow, tongue and lip piercings and tattoos. Will you take your child to that pediatrician if these "embellishments" are not hidden?

My kid might be too scared of them anyway to go tbh

[*KRONIK*]

How do tattoos and piercing differ from Hijab?
In terms of an employer saying he doesn't want a
X with a tattoo
Y with a piercing
Or Z with hijab or other overtly religious garb.

Hijab is a religious dress code.

Tatoos and peircings are lifestyle choices

[racedriverpro]

The adage "birds of a feather flock together" does not work in favor of tattoos or piercings IMHO. I know a pediatrician, very brilliant person, possibly the most brilliant person I know. Very decent person too. Has eyebrow, tongue and lip piercings and tattoos. Will you take your child to that pediatrician if these "embellishments" are not hidden?

Sounds familiar...the one I know is very slim and has long hair together with the things you mentioned

[pugboy]

All Tattoos should be shown to prospective employers because some people have racist offensive tattoos which are illegal

[Redman]

How do tattoos and piercing differ from Hijab?
In terms of an employer saying he doesn't want a
X with a tattoo
Y with a piercing
Or Z with hijab or other overtly religious garb.

Hijab is a religious dress code.

Tatoos and peircings are lifestyle choices

Yes that's the obvious shallow answer.

Isn't hijab a dress code that is optional.?..Not all Muslims choose to wear it.

All Religion is a life choice. At least here in TnT.
To some one that isn't religious.....it's the same.

I'm Catholic...by choice....if I wanted to switch to a religion that promotes tattoos and piercings in its dress code ...is that acceptable?

Would you hire a Samoan or Maaori with visible facial tattoos?

Or adapt your company dress code cuz Pentecostal or Mormon women can't wear pants?
Or a Catholic that chooses to wear excessive crosses and religious paraphernalia as his religious dress code?

To what extent does an employer have the right to say No to some ones life style or religious choices.?

[nervewrecker]

Just recently a group od costaatt misfits was saying thats discrimination against them and its art. They must be allowed to express themselves freely.
One went so far as to say she is employed like that and well paid, travels the world, always travelling with the salary she gets. How she working and travelling? When her bluff was called she get vex.
Fyah bun dem yes.

[*KRONIK*]

How do tattoos and piercing differ from Hijab?
In terms of an employer saying he doesn't want a
X with a tattoo
Y with a piercing
Or Z with hijab or other overtly religious garb.

Hijab is a religious dress code.

Tatoos and peircings are lifestyle choices

Yes that's the obvious shallow answer.

Isn't hijab a dress code that is optional.?..Not all Muslims choose to wear it.

All Religion is a life choice. At least here in TnT.
To some one that isn't religious.....it's the same.

I'm Catholic...by choice....if I wanted to switch to a religion that promotes tattoos and piercings in its dress code ...is that acceptable?

Would you hire a Samoan or Maaori with visible facial tattoos?

Or adapt your company dress code cuz Pentecostal or Mormon women can't wear pants?
Or a Catholic that chooses to wear excessive crosses and religious paraphernalia as his religious dress code?

To what extent does an employer have the right to say No to some ones life style or religious choices.?

The hijab is actually not a choice for the practicing muslim.
Muslims who CHOOSE not to follow the rules are typically do so by choice and they are free to do so.
So if a muslim woman wants to follow the dress code, then thats a choice she made and she should not be discriminated for it.
The same applies to those tribal tatoos. Its a part of their religion and culture and they will most likely choose that path over the job anyway.

But lets not turn this into the religion thread.

But if policy at particular institution doesnt allow it then they need to comply.
For example: wonderful world doesnt hire hijab wearing muslim women as they consider them to be a theft risk.
Amalgamated doesnt hire them either until they lost a law suit recently.

The difference with modern tatoos and piercings is that they are not historically cultural. They are fairly recent forms of self expression. So they dont carry the backing of religious law. Some companies flex to accomodate employees and some empolyees flex to accomodate the work environment.

But at the end of the day, a company reserves the right to hire based on appearances. Especially those that have their employees interacting with costsmers. People who get tatoos and facial peircing need to take this into consideration.

[hydroep]

Well the condition isn't natural such as being born "black", female, gay, deformed etc. It's self-inflicted for want of a better term.

That said it's all about the job requirements and whether or not you are suitable for the position.

[The_Honourable]

Some cultures and religions find tattoos and piercings offensive so if you deal with international clients or an international business for example, you don't want to play that game. Also, if you are a business that has a certain image, you don't want to compromise on that where doing so may alienate your clientele.

Have a lot of people with tattoos and piercings who are knowledgeable, work hard, and get the job done. A simple solution is just to cover up. The culture of the workplace must be taken into consideration. If you are at a jobsite or in a department that doesn't mind, feel free.

[De Dragon]

Tattoos, hairstyles shouldn't matter. Your ability to perform a job shouldn't be judged by your hair, skin, ink. Sadly, we are in a banana republic, where if you have a tattoo/dreadlocks/Mohawk, your already discounted before you are even asked a question.

[Drea]

I think discrimination may be a harsh word, more like most businesses have their own culture and image they want to portray. I worked at a bank for instance and there were people with tattoos (nothing excessive) but some people own were visible. But the bank has an image to uphold basically you only allowed to wear one earring, no anklets, a certain height heel and nothing above that.

Can't fault a business for looking after it's image. Now on the other hand people need to know what path in life they want, if you know you desire to be in corporate then you should already know the image they looking for, take your tattoos in discreet places.

[rmrunner]

Once you looking to work for someone they will have policies and rules. Have plenty places I have gone and require clean shave. Some have legitimate excuses like ammonia plants, manufacturing etc but some places is Peter pay for Paul and Paul pay for all.

[Ironmarley]

The adage "birds of a feather flock together" does not work in favor of tattoos or piercings IMHO. I know a pediatrician, very brilliant person, possibly the most brilliant person I know. Very decent person too. Has eyebrow, tongue and lip piercings and tattoos. Will you take your child to that pediatrician if these "embellishments" are not hidden?

Sounds like Windsor...

[Redman]

It's laughable that people would make their life choices...in an overt manner ...clearly communicating x y or z.....And then be angry when others take their advertising seriously.

[88sins]

Some of the responses in this thread crack me up, others i go just smh.
This whole topic is extremely personal & very subjective, from the perspective of the employers biases & preferences to the potential job seeker's lifestyle choices. Neither is more important or less important. IMHO, when you hire a person to fill a position, you hire based on their qualifications & or experience to perform a specific function in a particular manner. Once they are doing what they are hired & paid to do, the way they are instructed & paid to do it, what they look like is irrelevant & their personal choices regarding what they do with to & on their own body is their business.
Let's say you hire some youngster that's 18 y/o, & they have no tattoos or piercings & they dress conservatively, & they work for you in your organization for 10 years. Say after that decade, they decide to get inked & pierced, & while still dressing conservatively & still performing their functions as efficiently & effectively as they previously did, but their piercings & tats are easily observable. What you gonna do? Fire them? Because they did what they wanted to with their own body & it doesn't affect you but you think it might? I'd love to see an employer explain away that decision in court.

I had to deal with a case once where a manager was instructed tell a particular set of employees what type of personal wear should be worn while in uniform & by personal wear I do not mean, jewelry shoes or hairstyles. Now in this day & age I observe that there are many employers & employees need that to be taught the lesson that there are boundaries that ought not be crossed by either side regardless of if either side feels they have the right to. Some employers are of the mistaken impression that because they pay a salary that earns them privileges to dictating employees personal thoughts & lifestyle choices. & some employees take a very laissez faire attitude towards their work obligations & personal appearance. Both sides need to understand, that neither the job the employee does, nor the salary the employer pays doesn't earn either parties anything more than a what both parties agreed to when position was tendered & the person was hired. imho to not hire someone based on their ink, tats or body mods is stupid.

[Redman]

Let's say you hire some youngster that's 18 y/o, & they have no tattoos or piercings & they dress conservatively, & they work for you in your organization for 10 years. Say after that decade, they decide to get inked & pierced, & while still dressing conservatively & still performing their functions as efficiently & effectively as they previously did, but their piercings & tats are easily observable. What you gonna do? Fire them? Because they did what they wanted to with their own body & it doesn't affect you but you think it might? I'd love to see an employer explain away that decision in court.

Sure at that point there is a discussion.

..but please lets skip the outward appearances dont matter ...they might matter less IF there are other factors....but let that 18 year old walk in with a Pepsi logo on his forehead while my business is selling Coca Cola
or a swastikka and kkk logos on his fore arms and I deal with the public.


You still think that the court will find the employer wrong?
A picture of Patrick Manning will not go down well in UNC HQ.

When some one comes to an interview they WILL ALWAYS be judged on their appearances.....dont complain when that appearance impacts your outcomes.

[88sins]

Sure at that point there is a discussion.

..but please lets skip the outward appearances dont matter ...they might matter less IF there are other factors....but let that 18 year old walk in with a Pepsi logo on his forehead while my business is selling Coca Cola

So because he wouldn't buy what you selling or personally prefers a brand different to what your selling you feel that's legitimate grounds for dismissal? keep dreaming. HE doesn't have to believe in what you're selling, he doesn't even have to like or care about what you think about his personal preferences. All he's obligated to do is what's stipulated within the employment contract. So you if run a car dealership that sells BMW's, & your employee is driving around in his own Nissan doing his work & all your clients see him in that Nissan even on weekends & his days off, you feel you could tell him anything? If you don't want him to be seen in a Nissan, arrange it so he always has a BMW to move around in while on or off duty.

or a swastikka and kkk logos on his fore arms and I deal with the public

You still think that the court will find the employer wrong?
A picture of Patrick Manning will not go down well in UNC HQ.

It's still the employees forearms, basically, his body, & regardless of what you or your customers might think, neither the employee, nor any part of his /her anatomy is your property & does not belong to you. Slavery done sonny, & massah day dead.
If it's a problem, ask him to cover it/them up because you or your clients find his tats offensive or distasteful. If an employer opts to fire someone because they decided to change their lifestyle to suit their beliefs, faith or emotions that employer would have just opened themselves to litigation. & it wouldn't take a top notch lawyer to argue a case that that will make them look as though they think they own an employee's physical person.

When some one comes to an interview they WILL ALWAYS be judged on their appearances.....dont complain when that appearance impacts your outcomes.

Even if it's true that you don't hire an otherwise perfectly qualified & capable candidate & the sole reason you have is because of their body mods, if that candidate gets evidence of such discrimination & starts litigious proceedings against you you'd be shocked at the outcome.

[Redman]

dais sheeeit-I eh saying you wrong eh...

but doesn't the fact that they are VISIBLY conflicting with a fundamental part of the business does not allow the employer some ability to take action???

[88sins]

yes, there are options for the employer. Asking them if in the event they are hired if it would be an issue for the prospective candidate to cover any/all offensive body mods as long as the covering doesn't negatively impact their abilities to perform their duties is one.
Placement is another, hard to be offended by an employee's body mods when even though you know where they are you don't have to see them & their mods during every minute of their shift for them to fulfill their duties. The candidate should be able to work unsupervised, but in some aspects & certain jobs this might not be practical or doable.

[zoom rader]

Years ago as when I just left San do tech I had an interview and my dad said to cut my long tail cause HR personnel don't like those things. So I cut long pony tail . Well I never got the job for future jobs looking all neat and clean.

Then I had another interview and I has no time to get changed and looking clean. So I went to an interview in my work overalls and I explained my attire. I ended up getting the job.
Only difference was it was all men that was doing the Interviewing whereas the other where women HR and one guy.