Appeal Court reduces penalties for buggery, maintaining their criminal status - to be appealed

[Daran]

Which means those religious groups are contradicting what their religious book states. You don't compromise in your principles in the name of acceptance.

You can LGBTQABCDEFG all day and argue for rights, but you can't use a religious text to promote, rationalize and confirm your behavior.

Pull out=die
Genesis 38:9-10 "Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also."

No divorce
Mark 10:9 "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."

No balls=No gawd
Deuteronomy 23:1 "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord."

No jewelry
Timothy 2:9 "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."

If someone's attacking you, you can't grab your attacker's privates.
Deuteronomy 25:11-25:12 "If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity."

Kill anyone with a different religion than Christianity
Deuteronomy 17:2-17:7

“If there is found in your midst, in any of your [a]towns, which the Lord your God is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded, 4 and if it is told you and you have heard of it, then you shall inquire thoroughly. Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to [b]death. 6 On the [c]evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the [d]evidence of one witness. 7 The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst."

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Levitical laws were for Israel, moral laws for everyone
https://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/why-eating-shrimps-is-not-like-homosexuality

Dont waste ur time. They will NEVER get it. Lol

ROFL - so this is how the picking and choosing works? Removed Leviticus verses from the above: Also, I hope you all adhere to the following rules too eh.

Don’t Get Married: 1st Corinthians 7:27 NASB

Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife.

Prayer (not doctors) if You’re Sick: James 5:14 NASB

Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up.

Women Should Shut Up in Church: 1st Corinthians 14:34 NASB

The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak.

The Wealthy Will Be Condemned by God: James 5:1-5 NASB

Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted… Your gold and your silver have rusted; and their rust will… consume your flesh like fire. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.

Women: Don’t Dress Up, Fix Your Hair, or Wear Jewelry: 1st Peter 3:3 The Good News Translation

You should not use outward aids to make yourselves beautiful, such as the way you fix your hair, or the jewelry you put on, or the dresses you wear.

Return Runaway Slaves to Their Owners: Philemon 1:12 The Message

I’m sending (the slave Onesimus) back to you… I wanted in the worst way to keep him here… But I didn’t want to do anything behind your back… Maybe it’s all for the best that you lost him for a while. You’re getting him back now for good—and no mere slave this time, but a true Christian brother!

Gouge Out Your Eyeball: Matthew 5:29 New Living Translation

So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away.

Cut Off Your Own Hand: Matthew 5:30 New Living Translation

And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.

Never Swear an Oath: Matthew 5:34 God’s Word Translation

Don’t swear an oath at all. (puts a new slant on the Pledge of Allegiance)

Don’t Defend Yourself if Attacked: Matthew 5:39 Amplified Version

But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too.

Give Anything You Have to Anyone Who Asks: Matthew 5:42 Common English Bible

Give to those who ask, and don’t refuse those who wish to borrow from you.

Do NOT Pray in Public: (Matthew 6:6) Common English Bible

When you pray, go to your room, shut the door, and pray to your Father… in that secret place.

Don’t Save Your Money: (Matthew 6:19) New Living Translation

Don’t store up treasures here on earth, where moths eat them and rust destroys them, and where thieves break in and steal.

Don’t Plan for The Future: Matthew 6:34 NASB

So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself.

Do Not Marry a Divorced Woman: Matthew 5:32 NASB

Whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Don’t Wear Nice Clothes: Matthew 6:28-29 NASB

And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you?

Hate Your Family: Luke 14:26 NASB

If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters… he cannot be My disciple.

Give Away EVERYTHING You Own: Luke 14:33 NASB

So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.

Otherwise, I sure you getting bull in your bamsee in hell.

[timelapse]

Levitical Laws were for Christians,nobody else cares so quoting Bible really makes no difference to other people.
Who want to be gay, bi, baigan or whatever else could do whatever they want, not my concern.

I have a theoretical dilemna though.So If Bob decides that he identifies as a little girl and I call him Sir, that makes me wrong to go against his beliefs and I can be punished by law where C16 is applied.Does the law consider MY beliefs if in my mind I identify him as a man? Isn't that unfair to me?

[Witch Doctor]

I don't like to comment much, but i will submit this here.

Some comments by one Dr. Wayne West of the "Gill and friends" crew.



and..

We do not deny rights to humans because they are abnormal.

All human beings have the same human rights.

Human beings do not have rights to be abnormal or to pursue behaviours associated with high rates of disease.

Also abnormalities do not create special rights which must be recognised e.g there are no rights to homosexuality, transgenderism, paranoia or delusion

[Dizzy28]

Wayne West seems to be a closeted homo!!

[abducted]

"force secularism"? That is funny, yet you want to force religion on everyone and force them to respect you for it

Levitical Laws were for Christians,nobody else cares so quoting Bible really makes no difference to other people.
Who want to be gay, bi, baigan or whatever else could do whatever they want, not my concern.

I have a theoretical dilemna though.So If Bob decides that he identifies as a little girl and I call him Sir, that makes me wrong to go against his beliefs and I can be punished by law where C16 is applied.Does the law consider MY beliefs if in my mind I identify him as a man? Isn't that unfair to me?

That is not what C-16 is about, you can only be charged if you are harassing or discriminating against someone or group of people. If you as a business owner refuse to sell or allow in your establishment or workplace, that is discrimination. A one-off instance is not going to get anyone charged. If i tell you to refer to me as "Milord" and you refuse, I cannot have you arrested. If I tell you I am an atheist and you refuse to sell me or hire me to work then that is discrimination and you can be charged. The law is there for everyone to read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to ... nd_support
"The Canadian Bar Association supported the passage of the bill, by writing a detailed letter to the Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs. Speaking for the CBA, the President, René J. Basque, Q.C./c.r, argued that the bill would provide necessary protections for trans-gender people; made explicit the protections for trans-gender people which were already contained in the prohibition on discrimination based on sexual orientation; and did not pose any risk to freedom of expression."

[rspann]

Abducted,I not judging you and I will give you all your rights, but , doesn't it hurt?

[88sins]

abducted, when all dis bs done I willing to sponsor you & Daran to go & fight for gay rights in Iran.

u game?

[abducted]

I'm not gay, bi, trans or any of the other 50 or 100 other terms they are coming out with. I am straight, but I am seeing humans fighting for equal rights and there are so many analogies to racial equality and I am amazed that many of you still choose to be hostile towards people asking for equal rights.

[88sins]

abducted, Daran
allyuh used to play plenty skooch as children?

[Cantmis]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/us/h ... crash.html

[redmanjp]

[sMASH]

that looks like brodus clay

[RedVEVO]

I'm not gay, bi, trans or any of the other 50 or 100 other terms they are coming out with. I am straight, but I am seeing humans fighting for equal rights and there are so many analogies to racial equality and I am amazed that many of you still choose to be hostile towards people asking for equal rights.

Well said Abducted .. clap clap clap ..

[redmanjp]

No longer about gay rights, now free speech and freedom of religion is being challenged

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/california-bill-threatens-christian-books-and-booksellers/amp/

Yes, California Is on the Verge of Banning Some Christian Books, Here’s How
By DAVID FRENCH
April 23, 2018 6:36 PM

California State Capitol in Sacramento (Pixabay)
Late last week, I wrote an article that caused a bit of a furious reaction in social-justice Twitter. Activists claimed I was lying, arguing in bad faith, and/or exaggerating the effect of California’s AB 2943, a bill that purports to declare “sexual orientation change efforts” to be an “unlawful business practice.” I claimed the bill was so broad that it could even ban books.

And I’m right. It can and would. Here’s a step-by-step guide how:

First, the bill by its own terms applies to very broad categories of services and goods. Here’s the key enabling language:

1770. (a) The following unfair methods of competition and unfair or deceptive acts or practices undertaken by any person in a transaction intended to result or that results in the sale or lease of goods or services to any consumer are unlawful:

Second, a book (along with other written materials, like pamphlets or workbooks) fits within the very, very broad definition of a goods:

tangible chattels bought or leased for use primarily for personal, family, or household purposes, including certificates or coupons exchangeable for these goods, and including goods that, at the time of the sale or subsequently, are to be so affixed to real property as to become a part of real property, whether or not they are severable from the real property.

Basically, if you can buy it and move it (in other words, it’s not real estate), then it’s a good. Moreover, under the statute, “services” can include “services furnished in connection with the sale or repair of goods.” Booksellers provide “services.”

To this point, California’s statute is standard. Consumer protection acts apply broadly to goods and services, and they’re generally designed to prevent outright frauds and misrepresentations in commercial transactions. Anti-fraud statutes generally aren’t a threat to the First Amendment because consumer fraud isn’t constitutionally protected speech.


But here’s where the act gets pernicious. Scroll down through the list of dozens of prohibited acts, and you’ll come to paragraph 28, which bans: “Advertising, offering to engage in, or engaging in sexual orientation change efforts with an individual.”

Wait. What? “Sexual orientation change efforts” are in the same category as consumer fraud? So, what is a sexual-orientation-change effort? According to the bill, it means “any practices that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the same sex.” (Emphasis added.)

This definition is far, far broader than the traditional definition of so-called reparative therapy — the effort to change a person’s romantic feelings toward people of the same sex — it now includes efforts to change mere behavior. In other words, if for example, a sexually active gay man or woman sought counseling not to change their orientation but rather to become celibate, then the services and goods provided in that effort would violate this statute. If parents faced a child who was identifying as a person of the opposite sex, then services and goods making the argument that, for example, they should persist in calling their daughter “she” and withhold life-altering hormone treatment in part because most children exhibiting symptoms of gender dysphoria desist would violate this statute.

This is a dramatic infringement on First Amendment rights, rendered even more pernicious by its functional declaration of certain kinds of religious speech and argument as the equivalent of consumer fraud.

Indeed, some folks in the California legislature know what this bill does and simply don’t care.

No sir. The faith community can and should continue to provide services and goods that state its perspective. Californians can seek to rebut faith claims. They can offer competing goods and services, but they do not have the power to declare Christian arguments about sexual morality and gender identity fraudulent and attempt to banish them from the public square.

Now, I don’t think California is going to sweep through Christian bookstores looking for books by Ryan Anderson or Rosaria Butterfield. That would be too much, even for them (though I would note that the statute would empower such an action.) It’s far more likely that the recommendation or sharing of certain kinds of Christian books and other written materials would be deemed evidence of fraud and would present a core part of the case against a minister or counselor.

In addition, the law would loom over booksellers and churches, establishing a chilling effect and providing a pretext for even more secular booksellers to refrain from stocking certain Christian titles — no matter how well-reasoned, well-researched, or well-argued.

It’s time for the California legislature to come to its senses and remember the Bill of Rights. The California Assembly has passed the bill. Now it’s in the California Senate’s hands. Perhaps more reasonable minds will prevail.

[RedVEVO]

The modern question iz...iz this good for society? Should a minority be able to impose their lifestyle choice upon a majority?
.

they not imposing their lifestyle, they just want the right to enjoy their lifestyle

not too long ago society didnt want to get blacks any rights either.....

And now they imposing their lifestyle on everybody else ...

How?

Apparently you do not go out much .. girlfriend

[hydroep]

No longer about gay rights, now free speech and freedom of religion is being challenged...

And some have already folded...

...The Church of Scotland has passed a historic vote to allow actively gay men and lesbians to become ordained ministers, while the top legislative body of the Presbyterian Church in the US has redefined Christian marriage in the church’s constitution as the union of two people instead of a man or a woman...

http://newsday.co.tt/2018/05/19/talks-on-gay-rights/

After all, collection plates hadda fill...

[The_Honourable]

According to Christianity, God's truth is consistent and doesn't change and a believer must not conform to the patterns, and not be of this world. So for the Presbyterian Church of the US and Scotland to make these changes according to what the world wants and not to offend, obviously their actions are contrary to what the bible says disqualifying them being a representative and a church of God.

[Miktay]

According to Christianity, God's truth is consistent and doesn't change and a believer must not conform to the patterns, and not be of this world. So for the Presbyterian Church of the US and Scotland to make these changes according to what the world wants and not to offend, obviously their actions are contrary to what the bible says disqualifying them being a representative and a church of God.

Horse...the US Presbyterian church was infiltrated by modernists almost a century ago....

[abducted]

A judge once used that same authority to impose religion on all the nation and also later imposed multi-religion, how is it ok to impose religion but not secularism at a time when humans are starting to become smart enough to stop believing in fairy tales? It seems it is only good when it agrees with what you want to believe to be true.

You are against post-modernistic society. Do you support what came before: a modernistic society?
From a theological standpoint, modernistic society has:
"Moral relativism (which says that what is right is dictated by culture, social location, and situation)"
"Autonomous individualism (which assumes that moral authority comes essentially from within)"

If you do not agree with these, then you must revert to the period before this which is Post-Classical at which time church and state were one and slavery was accepted by society as being OK.

Cherry picking your way around. Again it seems it is only good when it agrees with what you want to believe to be true.

[hydroep]

It's heartening to see that in a time where the LGBTQ+ community appears to hold all the cards that there is at least some parity of justice:

US Supreme Court backs Colorado baker's gay wedding cake snub

The US Supreme Court has ruled in favour of a baker in Colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

The Colorado state court had found that baker Jack Phillips' decision to turn away David Mullins and Charlie Craig in 2012 was unlawful discrimination.

But the Supreme Court ruled on Monday in a 7-2 vote that that decision had violated Mr Phillips' rights.

The conservative Christian cited his religious beliefs in refusing service...

...The Supreme Court's majority opinion said the Colorado Civil Rights Commission had been biased against Mr Phillips.

The verdict said the commission had shown "clear hostility" and implied religious beliefs "are less than fully welcome in Colorado's business community".

Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote that while Colorado law "can protect gay persons in acquiring products and services... the law must be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion".

The opinion cited the following comment from a Colorado commissioner during a public hearing:

"Freedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history, whether it be slavery, whether it be the holocaust. And to me it is one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use to use their religion to hurt others."

The opinion called such language disparaging of Mr Phillips' religious beliefs and inappropriate for a commission charged with "fair and neutral enforcement of Colorado's anti-discrimination law - a law that protects discrimination on the basis of religion as well as sexual orientation".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162

[redmanjp]

was now going to post that story but u beat me to it

i would never refuse anyone if they buying bread, pie, etc. but i ain't baking no gay wedding cake especially if i have to put speech on it i don't agree with

[fatboy slim]

new world order is so queer

[Miktay]

new world order is so queer

kinda sorta...what they really aspire to iz androgyny.

[fatboy slim]

that looks like brodus clay

America trying to phase out masculinity. the new generation of youths are in danger.
At least the boys will have some fun playing dolly house with the girls or hopefully getting some nookie

[fatboy slim]

new world order is so queer

kinda sorta...what they really aspire to iz androgyny.

The term androgyny is derived from the Greek andro (man) and gyne (woman). The popular conception of androgyny is a blend of male and female characteristics or a person who is neither male nor female. Psychological androgyny refers to men and women who exhibit both masculine and feminine attributes.

The end is near

[fatboy slim]

It's Pat

[Miktay]

The term androgyny is derived from the Greek andro (man) and gyne (woman). The popular conception of androgyny is a blend of male and female characteristics or a person who is neither male nor female. Psychological androgyny refers to men and women who exhibit both masculine and feminine attributes.

The end is near :skurred:

they blurring the lines lang time now....

Take for example...the recent death of a female porn star...

Take a good look...

Porn star August Ames commits suicide after bullying for refusing to have sex with man who did gay porn

A porn star relentlessly bullied on Twitter after saying she did not want to have sex with someone who had shot gay porn committed suicide by hanging.

August Ames, a 23-year-old rising star in the adult film industry, died Tuesday in California. The Ventura County Medical Examiner confirmed to The Blast that Ames died of asphyxiation due to hanging.

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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... -porn.html

[RedVEVO]

was now going to post that story but u beat me to it

i would never refuse anyone if they buying bread, pie, etc. but i ain't baking no gay wedding cake especially if i have to put speech on it i don't agree with

So a gay couple come to you and say ..

Bake me a cake . Here's $50,000 cash deposit.

Give us 2 .

One in Shocking Pink and another in Flossy Mauve.

Would you say nah ?

[redmanjp]

was now going to post that story but u beat me to it

i would never refuse anyone if they buying bread, pie, etc. but i ain't baking no gay wedding cake especially if i have to put speech on it i don't agree with

So a gay couple come to you and say ..

Bake me a cake . Here's $50,000 cash deposit.

Give us 2 .

One in Shocking Pink and another in Flossy Mauve.

Would you say nah ?

I ain't selling my soul for 30 pieces of silver

Besides we ALL have rights not just LGBT, their rights to marry has to be balanced with my right to express my beliefs

[rspann]

I convincing them that they need four cakes.