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Re: No New CoP ? Dulachan Ditched

Postby RedVEVO » July 24th, 2018, 3:10 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:
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Skanky wrote:Be careful what you wish for. I would love to see Trinidad cleaned up just as much as any other law abiding citizen but, and it's a BUT....

My opinion is that the underground economy is way larger than our real economy. The police work for the politicians and the politicians work for the local drug barons.
Trinidad is a country of only 1.5 million. There is no way that so many people could have obtained so much wealth legally if you go by what you see people throwing around.

If Gary goes hard our real economy could potentially collapse. Think of how many businesses who employ hundreds/thousands and seem like legit businesses are really just fronts for illegal activity. Think of the banks that help politicians to hide their corrupt money and to launder drug money. We really don't know how deep this thing goes but can Trinidad really handle the truth whatever that truth turns out to be ?

It's all well and good to want some sunlight but suppose what we thought would be a little sunburn turns out to be skin cancer?

Just something to think about.



The above is absolute BS squared .

Many people in this country work very hard .


I really hope this is sarcasm


What is sarcasm ?

That Skang is a sufferer ?

He / She / It belongs to the Trini clueless group .

Even Rubber Slipper agree :D

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby Skanky » July 24th, 2018, 6:18 am

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already, but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt what is laid before him-L.T.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby MaxPower » July 24th, 2018, 9:01 am

My main concern is pest eradication.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby SR » July 24th, 2018, 9:52 am

What are the reasons why seales and cohorts do not want him as cop....... since they already saying they will go to court up front.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 24th, 2018, 10:09 am

SR wrote:What are the reasons why seales and cohorts do not want him as cop....... since they already saying they will go to court up front.


seales and cohorts afraid of the army mentality...some officers are lazy mofos..

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby pugboy » July 24th, 2018, 10:09 am

Gibbs had same problem from day 1
Ramesar and them didn't like the fact that he say cops should be outside instead of sitting inside waiting for calls

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby RedVEVO » July 24th, 2018, 10:10 am

MaxPower wrote:My main concern is pest eradication.


^^

The reason Gary will not be approved :?

It's not who can do a job, it's can you be controlled in T&T politics .

Hence we have 3rd world thinking :lol:

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby The_Honourable » July 24th, 2018, 6:17 pm

DOMA "attracted" to Gary Griffith's views of managing Police Service

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The Downtown Owners and Merchants Association (DOMA) says the nominee for the post of Commissioner of Police, Gary Griffith, has attracted its attention.

DOMA issued a statement on Tuesday, critical of the approach taken by the Police Service Social and Welfare Association.

"We wish to join with a wide cross-section of the national community in expressing surprise at the comments attributed to the Police Service Social and Welfare Association on the possible appointment of Captain Gary Griffith as Commissioner of Police.

The objections have been made with a vague reference to the fact that "Politics and Policing" do not mix.

This point clearly ignores the fact that the politicians of the day pay the price of failed results and a high crime rate is of great significance to the choices that citizens make at election time.

If politicians must pay the price for failed performance why then should politicians not be able to choose who they feel will deliver better results?

Governments of the day should be allowed to govern when it comes to the appointment of persons who will deliver service to the people of our traumatized and shell-shocked nation.

The Government deserves credit for a choice that seems to cross party lines in the interest of relieving citizens from our country's horrific crime problem.

Mr. Griffith has attracted the attention of this association with his views of a management model for the police based on performance as opposed to promotions by seniority.

The Police Service Social and Welfare Association may be attaching itself to the failures of the past if it rejects a performance model with such failures not only connected to record crime levels but also seeing countless officers seeking redress in the High Courts for being bypassed for promotion.

In fact, with regret, and with the cynicism that is raging in our land, the opposition by the Police Service Social and Welfare Association is being seen widely as a good indication that Mr. Griffith might be the best man for the job.

At a time when crime has created fear among almost all citizens, damaged our freedoms, reduced our quality of life and created an undeniable drag on our economy it would be a most welcome and refreshing change to welcome on board all stakeholders including those who are resistant to change as we march to the beat of a new drummer and attempt to stop the spectacular rise of boldfaced criminals and brazen criminality in Trinidad and Tobago.

We look to the President of the Police Service Social and Welfare Association to exercise prudent leadership in the interest of not only his association members but also of the citizenry who are in desperate need of relief. Such leadership will help to improve trust and respect in our law enforcement agencies and create the national teamwork that we as a nation have been longing for.

We wish to take this opportunity of this release to thank Police Commissioner Stephen Williams for his dignity and balance in the execution of his duties and for his service to our Capital City and our Country."

Source: http://www.cnc3.co.tt/press-release/dom ... ce-service

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby K74T » July 24th, 2018, 6:26 pm

#i4gary

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby hydroep » July 24th, 2018, 7:19 pm

Phillip Alexander was on Power 102 last night and he made an interesting point: When Dr. Rowley was in opposition he implicated Gary Griffith in the emailgate scandal. That matter according to Arsewari is "far from over". So if the almighty Sh!tkicker supports Griffith's appointment as CoP it can only mean one of two things:

a. Dr. Rowley supports those allegedly involved in (the worst type of) illicit activities.
or
b. Dr. Rowley is a blasted liar.

For those who need a refresher:

On May 20, 2013, Rowley, during his motion of no-confidence against the People's Partnership Government and the prime minister, disclosed the contents of 31 "e-mails" purporting to be exchanges between Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, Minister of Local Government Surujrattan Rambachan and then national security adviser to the prime minister, Gary Griffith.

The e-mails alleged that plans were in the making to harm a journalist, plant electronic spy devices in the Office of the DPP, and offer the DPP a judgeship with respect to the Section 34 fiasco in September 2012.


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/US-attorney-hired-to-sue-Google-in-T-T-s-Emailgate-probe_17355626

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 24th, 2018, 8:03 pm

baldy say by Aug 31 we go know...have no fear

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby sMASH » July 24th, 2018, 8:14 pm

He pull it from his back pocket, while we wait with baited breath...

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby bluefete » July 24th, 2018, 8:35 pm

A Different perspective.

https://wired868.com/2018/07/23/dear-ed ... -travesty/

Dear Editor: Cockroaches, gun talk, and mamaguy; Griffith as Police Commissioner would be a travesty

Letters to the Editor Monday 23 July 2018

“Gary Griffith is not unknown to us. What is unknown, is the justification for this claim that he is a ‘change agent’. How has Mr Griffith’s presence in public life enhanced life in the Republic?

“For those who argue that Mr Griffith has the passion and the drive to solve crime, I ask you, where is the proof that he has done so?”

The following Letter to the Editor, on the possible appointment of former National Security Minister Gary Griffith as Commissioner of Police, was submitted to Wired868 by Folade Mutota:

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Photo: Former National Security Minister Gary Griffith.

The process for selecting the Commissioner of Police is perhaps the most recent brazen demonstration that in Trinidad and Tobago, crime is not our number one challenge but governance is.

This process is not designed for citizen participation in any way and neither the government nor the opposition have made any attempts to engage the population despite an obvious lacuna. The process however has illuminated the enduring reality that the political class sees the masses as colour coded voters and not much more.

To add to our burden of rejection to have a say on who leads this extremely important organisation which is tasked with protecting and serving the population with pride, comes word or rumour that Gary Griffith is the government’s choice for Commissioner of Police and a confirmation by at least three opposition Members of Parliament that Mr Griffith would be acceptable to the opposition.

Such a tragic development is unfortunately not surprising in a land where mamaguy and gun talk gets one high marks for leadership.

Gary Griffith is not unknown to us. What is unknown, is the justification for this claim that he is a ‘change agent’. How has Mr Griffith’s presence in public life enhanced life in the Republic?

Image Photo: Ex-National Security Minister and TTFA security advisor Gary Griffith (left), former SPORTT facility manager Anthony Blake (right) and TTFA manager Richard Piper await kick off between Trinidad and Tobago and USA on 8 June 2017 in Commerce City, Colorado.
(Courtesy Allan V Crane/CA Images/Wired868)

For those who argue that Mr Griffith has the passion and the drive to solve crime, I ask you, where is the proof that he has done so?

Griffith was the advisor to former Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar when she unleashed a state of emergency on this country. It is rumoured that one reason the SoE was introduced was to reduce the homicide rate at the beginning of Persad Bissessar’s term.

Griffith subsequently became Minister of National Security and claimed that there was a reduction in crime during his tenure. I suggest that this claim be contested and a robust evaluation of Griffith’s tenure be undertaken before we rally behind him as CoP.

For example, do we know if or how much of Griffith’s strategies for reducing crime were successful and what criteria were used to determine this success? What exactly did Griffith do to reduce crime and what resources were utilised? What relationships did Griffith establish with his staff in order to lead an effective ministry tasked with securing the state?

It is widely rumoured for example, that Griffith engaged in verbal abuse of staff in the Ministry of National Security in the most vile and dismissive manner. I wonder if that rumour is true and Griffith treated staff—whom he could not fire—in such a derogatory way, how would he treat the officers of the TTPS whom he can dismiss?

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Photo: A police officer helps his colleague with his stripes.

Griffith referred to a segment of this population as ‘cockroaches’ and suggested that they should be stamped out. In case we have not noticed, so far for 2018 there have been more than thirty (30) cases of police involved homicides in Trinidad and Tobago.

Should we be concerned about the government’s policy on crime fighting if government is contemplating putting Griffith in charge of the police?

It is to be noted that in June 2018, Fitzgerald Hinds, MP for Laventille West made public his support for a state of emergency. Given Mr Hinds’ senior position in the Cabinet one wonders if the government is not signalling an interest in declaring a state of emergency in selected geographic spaces or nationally to stamp out the cockroaches with Griffith at the helm of its campaign?

If the “attributes which impressed this administration was Griffith’s fearless role in laying bare the LifeSport scandal as well as his firm commitment to the public interest”, I wonder if the government can advise on the status of the LifeSport investigation?

What would happen if it turns out that Griffith was being ‘over-zealous’ or acting in his own interest when he took that action? If Griffith is an ‘out of the box thinker’, then to what extent did he implement or cause to be implemented his celebrated 100 point anti-crime initiative we were bombarded with in 2010; and what were the successes?

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Photo: National Security Minister Gary Griffith (second from left) shakes hands with NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton.
Griffith did not accept Bratton’s suggestions for improved welfare for policemen.
(Courtesy Trinidad Guardian)

Griffith has endeared himself to many because too many of us are wedded to the idea that violence must be met with violence. And who better to lead our charge than a fast talking, military man who claims to have the competence and passion to stamp out cockroaches?

Griffith may have the attributes that many of our leaders consider compatible with fighting crime; and this is largely because he says many of the things that they would like to say about the population. But he is not the one to lead the TTPS, which is itself accountable to no one.

The agencies established to provide oversight over the TTPS have been ineffective—perhaps due to no fault of their own but maybe because the TTPS has organised itself as an autonomous cell within the state.

If Griffith is made Commissioner of Police we will all have to live with it; and that in itself is the irony of life in a land in which even when crisis descends there is no room at the table for the masses.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby pugboy » July 24th, 2018, 8:45 pm

The long and short is the population is tired of the same cartoon characters who hold press conferences and repeat the same nonsense "investigations are ongoing" for basically every serious crime in this country.

Gg purports himself as somebody who is talking fighting words and not that same rhetoric.
This has certainly garnered support.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby bluefete » July 24th, 2018, 8:53 pm

So, if he get de wuk, dese coming back orrr?

https://archives.newsday.co.tt/2014/09/ ... -vehicles/

$63M FOR BATTLE VEHICLES

Armoured vehicles similar to the ones seen in clashes between law enforcement and hostile crowds in some of the world’s trouble spots will soon be a feature of the assets of the police and army in Trinidad and Tobago.


Extract:

Confirming the planned purchase, Minister of National Security Gary Griffith told Newsday the armoured vehicles which are different from the armoured personnel carriers, are bullet-proof vehicles which will look like normal SUVs, and they will be used for specific elements of law enforcement agencies.

Newsday has been informed that the armoured personnel carriers number 32 and will be for the specific use of officers of the Defence Force, while the 20 relatively lighter vehicles are for the Special Operations Group attached to the National Operations Centre (NOC).

... the purchases will only be made if the vehicles are found to be conducive to the roads in this country, especially the roads in high-risk crime hot spots, such as Laventille and Belmont, and other areas where roads are narrow, and in some instances, where the roads are simply tracks.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby RedVEVO » July 25th, 2018, 8:45 am

So why people so afraid of Captain Gary ?

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 25th, 2018, 10:17 am

RedVEVO wrote:So why people so afraid of Captain Gary ?


some officers are afraid that their ulterior motives would be fcked away.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby The_Honourable » July 25th, 2018, 2:01 pm

uh oh...

Israel Khan SC: I don't think the country was ready for an East Indian Commissioner

This morning on CNC3's the Morning Brew Israel Khan SC told Hema Ramkissoon that Mr Dulalchan would not have been able to direct and command a prominently African police force. He said it's ok if the "White man" serves.


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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 25th, 2018, 2:36 pm

that's what I like about Khan...say what the fck he is thinking and doh really care what other people say

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby kstt » July 25th, 2018, 7:24 pm

https://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/lo ... 8bbd1.html

Explains why he so willingly gave evidence against Anand.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 25th, 2018, 8:14 pm

Parliament expect to discuss Gary on monday

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby The_Honourable » July 25th, 2018, 9:05 pm

The house of representatives will sit on Monday to decide whether or not Gary Griffith will be the country's next commissioner of police.

This after the police service commission forwarded his name as the next on the order of merit list.

After the process had been described as flawed, the top three Deodath Dulalchan, Harold Phillip and Stephen Williams were rejected by the house.


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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 25th, 2018, 9:08 pm

So if they say no...what happens next?

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby sMASH » July 25th, 2018, 9:36 pm

Something, even with the ferry boat have me feeling is one big distraction going on.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby The_Honourable » July 25th, 2018, 9:40 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:So if they say no...what happens next?


PSC have to start over the whole process from scratch... which they don't have the money to do, plus somebody have to act again as CoP as Williams bussing out in September.

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby RedVEVO » July 27th, 2018, 7:26 am

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shake d livin wake d dead wrote:So if they say no...what happens next?


PSC have to start over the whole process from scratch... which they don't have the money to do, plus somebody have to act again as CoP as Williams bussing out in September.


Why they have to start from scratch ?

Just pick a CoP and move on :)

Gary is the Man .

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » July 27th, 2018, 8:02 am

Interesting to hear the reason behind not selecting Gary

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

Postby Morpheus » July 27th, 2018, 8:56 am

The_Honourable wrote:uh oh...

Israel Khan SC: I don't think the country was ready for an East Indian Commissioner

This morning on CNC3's the Morning Brew Israel Khan SC told Hema Ramkissoon that Mr Dulalchan would not have been able to direct and command a prominently African police force. He said it's ok if the "White man" serves.

Gibbs was so unopposed eh.......

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Re: No New Commissioner of Police (CoP)? 3 down, Griffith next?

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