*****The OFFICIAL Corruption Thread*****

[Redman]

The info or its relevance would not change nor would my political allegiance. Allegiance is one of the reasons I feel we as a country are where we are.

The quickest way to make your vote worthless is to align yourself to a political party. You basically saying they don't need to work for your vote. If the "currency" of votes are worthless then you are right, it is no surprise that the politicians you get for those votes are also worthless. It's simple math, really.

We need people to decide what is important to them and make a concious decision.

Being XYZ till ah ded cedes your vote, "just because"

We need 1.4M swing voters.

Thankfully neither party has enough till ah ded to get past the post.

[eliteauto]

The info or its relevance would not change nor would my political allegiance. Allegiance is one of the reasons I feel we as a country are where we are.

The quickest way to make your vote worthless is to align yourself to a political party. You basically saying they don't need to work for your vote. If the "currency" of votes are worthless then you are right, it is no surprise that the politicians you get for those votes are also worthless. It's simple math, really.

well put

[De Dragon]

So if the PNM and the UNC generally doesn't deserve your vote, what then?
Do you look at 50 years of waste vs 10 years of waste and choose the lesser of the wastes?

[matix]

And perhaps the best description of Faris's entire scenario is -

A bit about Zaman Enterprises. The company appears to have been incorporated in 2006 by the AG. The incorporation documents show the AG and his wife, Mona Nahous, as the appointed directors. In that very year the corporation purchased the property at 3 Alexandra Place for $2,500,000 (about four month’s rent under the current lease). The corporation then issued two shares sometime between 2006 and 2007. The two shares were held by the AG (one share) and Mona Nahous (one share). To date, much of the discussion around the AG’s palpable conflict of interest has focussed on his directorship of Zaman Enterprises, little (if any) has been said about his 50 per cent ownership interest in the company.

In 2011 Al-Rawi was then removed as director of the company and his directorship was replaced by Nazem Nahous, the AG’s father-in-law. Despite that directorship change the AG’s shareholding interest (ie 50 per cent) remained unchanged. In 2013, Nazem Nahous was removed as director and replaced with the AG. Again, the AG’s shareholding interest remained the same.

In 2018, Abraham Faris Al-Rawi, the AG’s son, was appointed director of the company. Zaman Enterprises, for the first time, had three directors (all immediate family members). The shareholding interests in the company, however, remained unchanged. The AG owned 50 per cent of the issued shares and his wife owned 50 per cent of the issued shares.

Later in 2018, the AG was removed as director of Zaman Enterprises and only Mona Nahous and Abraham Al-Rawi remained as directors. Based on the information available to me, and subject to contrary information on the company’s annual return (due next month), there is no indication that the shareholding interests in the company had changed.

Indeed, the Note for Cabinet dated February 12, 2019 simply sets out the directors of Zaman Enterprises. It does not list the shareholders. A curious omission.
https://newsday.co.tt/2019/03/31/faris- ... reholders/

Yes all of this has been posted Dizzy- it was a tongue in cheek jab at ZR given his penchant for needing proof or its ole talk.

Ive already stated what my position is.
Multiple times years now.
It hasnt changed.


And I will ask.....would your info posted above change in accuracy or relevance if your political allegiance changes?

The info or its relevance would not change nor would my political allegiance. Allegiance is one of the reasons I feel we as a country are where we are.
My political preference generally trends towards no to PNM, no to UNC.
And in extension to your earlier candour my voting history since 2007
2007 GE - COP
2010 GE - PP
2010 LE - PP
2013 LE - ILP
2015 GE - PP
2016 LE - COP (they ran as a 3rd party against both UNC and PNM in my reg corp seat)
2019 LE - Did not Vote (For the first time since I was eligible to vote)

We on the same voting trend

[Redman]

So if the PNM and the UNC generally doesn't deserve your vote, what then?
Do you look at 50 years of waste vs 10 years of waste and choose the lesser of the wastes?

When last DIDNT you need to vote for the lesser of 2 evils?

People say the voting population dotish stupid etc etc, but elections are based on who offers themselves.

And no one of substance has been willing to offer themselves, since ......????

@matix-I suspect most of us here are as well.

[zoom rader]

So if the PNM and the UNC generally doesn't deserve your vote, what then?
Do you look at 50 years of waste vs 10 years of waste and choose the lesser of the wastes?

When last DIDNT you need to vote for the lesser of 2 evils?

People say the voting population dotish stupid etc etc, but elections are based on who offers themselves.

And no one of substance has been willing to offer themselves, since ......????

@matix-I suspect most of us here are as well.

Part of this population is very stupid. You have to read FB and tuner to Under Stand this.

Kamala theef while serving one term and is held responsible since 1956. Those are the comments you see on FB daily. Every this mantra is sung.

With the help of the 1% media they promote propaganda and brainwash folk in to voting for PNM. It is plain to see.

I live in a country where folk reasoning and logic is lacking, while they continue to live in a box.

[Redman]

Both sides have their bloggers blogging..to sway the narrative.
What you see on FB is no more representative of the 900k voters than you are of tuner.

You post the most, but yours is a extreme view.

Extreme views on either side are not a majority

And that isn’t based on your POV being right or wrong.

[De Dragon]

Both sides have their bloggers blogging..to sway the narrative.
What you see on FB is no more representative of the 900k voters than you are of tuner.

You post the most, but yours is a extreme view.

Extreme views on either side are not a majority

And that isn’t based on your POV being right or wrong.

As stated by you yourself, your support for the UNC is based on the upper echelons of the UNC resigning en masse for a past sin (which the populace has already adjudicated based on the last GE on IMHO) but the PNM could remain unchanged? This means they are without sin? Does this mean you are PNM until you die?

[Redman]

Both sides have their bloggers blogging..to sway the narrative.
What you see on FB is no more representative of the 900k voters than you are of tuner.

You post the most, but yours is a extreme view.

Extreme views on either side are not a majority

And that isn’t based on your POV being right or wrong.

As stated by you yourself, your support for the UNC is based on the upper echelons of the UNC resigning en masse for a past sin (which the populace has already adjudicated based on the last GE on IMHO) but the PNM could remain unchanged? This means they are without sin? Does this mean you are PNM until you die?

You continue to push this head.....but your intellectual leap of the day is more of a stub toe.
Ive also said that a 3rd party would be great and have my vote if they serious...-but some how you ignore that.

I get to choose whats important to me...as you do.

I have decided that not voting is not an option for me....since we need to put some one in.

If the choices are UNC or PNM then I have to pick one.
If Ive stated what I would like to see in the UNC-then until that changes.....

[Dizzy28]

Both sides have their bloggers blogging..to sway the narrative.
What you see on FB is no more representative of the 900k voters than you are of tuner.

You post the most, but yours is a extreme view.

Extreme views on either side are not a majority

And that isn’t based on your POV being right or wrong.

As stated by you yourself, your support for the UNC is based on the upper echelons of the UNC resigning en masse for a past sin (which the populace has already adjudicated based on the last GE on IMHO) but the PNM could remain unchanged? This means they are without sin? Does this mean you are PNM until you die?

You continue to push this head.....but your intellectual leap of the day is more of a stub toe.
Ive also said that a 3rd party would be great and have my vote if they serious...-but some how you ignore that.

I get to choose whats important to me...as you do.

I have decided that not voting is not an option for me....since we need to put some one in.

If the choices are UNC or PNM then I have to pick one.
If Ive stated what I would like to see in the UNC-then until that changes.....

This is a pretty reasonable explanation.

What is your take on the supporters of a particular party being the ones who should be most responsible for holding them accountable?
As it stands both sides can count on their supporters to defend them when they fcuk it up and at most they lose 1 term as the sway voters "Do So" and vote out them out as a punitive measure. In 2010 and with their popularity at such a historic low that they lost Arima, PNM still got 40% of the total votes. In 2015 despite losing the PP got 45% of the vote.

After 5 years the same players show up anyhows (After a CoE and almost $100m spent on Udecott we bring back Michael Annisette). You stated ppl you want to see gone from UNC however for PNM to be valid to middle ground ppl the same applies - McD, Robinson Regis, Frankie Khan and even Rowley himself all had chequered backgrounds and hinder automatic support.

Until the party supporters stand up everything will continue to fall down.

[Redman]

Agreed with EVERYTHING youve said.

but in the absence of choices the electorate are limited to UNC or PNM.....that said the expression of your post is the swing vote and its increasing relevance on the elections.

So a serious third party will do some damage and with luck be a contender in their 2nd election.

My take on the supporters is that they too have to decide what they view to be important-it may be a 10 days,skin color etc etc etc.
A lack of choices also leaves them with an A or B decision.

[Slartibartfast]

Agreed with EVERYTHING youve said.

but in the absence of choices the electorate are limited to UNC or PNM.....that said the expression of your post is the swing vote and its increasing relevance on the elections.

So a serious third party will do some damage and with luck be a contender in their 2nd election.

My take on the supporters is that they too have to decide what they view to be important-it may be a 10 days,skin color etc etc etc.
A lack of choices also leaves them with an A or B decision.

I have thought long and hard on this, and I can see only one peaceful way out of our current two party system.
1) Always vote. If you think your vote is useless, imagine how useless not voting is
2) Vote for who you think is best out of ALL the candidates.

I had outlined the reasoning behind this a while back as shown in the spoiler below.

Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

All you need to do is vote for who you think is best even if you are 100% sure that they will lose. Let your vote actually count. If the 3rd parties we have start getting more support then we will get better candidates as people figure out that it's not a waste of their time to go up for elections.

But please refrain from voting for UNC because you don't want PNM to win. The opposite happened last elections and the PNM are still convinced that we are in support of them because the only metric the have to accurately measure support for them shows it to be that way.

So vote for PEP if you think they are best, or MSJ or Progressive Party or whoever. Just stop voting for the "lesser of two evils" or else we will never get out of this spiral.

P.S. Yuh could click meh name inside that quote to go to the original comment

[rspann]

Agreed with EVERYTHING youve said.

but in the absence of choices the electorate are limited to UNC or PNM.....that said the expression of your post is the swing vote and its increasing relevance on the elections.

So a serious third party will do some damage and with luck be a contender in their 2nd election.

My take on the supporters is that they too have to decide what they view to be important-it may be a 10 days,skin color etc etc etc.
A lack of choices also leaves them with an A or B decision.

I have two problems with that . Historically third parties have been opportunists and weak . They only want to capitalize on the weaknesses of the two main parties and have no genuine concern for actually winning based on their own merit. They just want to be in power for power's sake and lose their credibility ( to their own detriment) By either joining or aligning themselves to the same party we would like to get rid of .

The second thing is that whatever the supporters view as important to them is clouded by fanaticism to the point that they get nothing in return for their votes but continue to vote with hope (or hopelessness ) . So you're right in the last line . They're left with A and B .

[Redman]

The 2 party system creates a dynamic....this party resembles the last one,and will look like the next.

What should the COP have done 2010-2015to be a contender in 2015 or 2020?

Voted properly and not party lines.
And represent the people.

[rspann]

Ego and self importance was a serious problem for all who were fighting to be the leader of the COP (same problem with the UNC ) . Everybody wanted to be the leader , it was about power for many of them . PNM doesn't have that problem . You would get sidelined , and never come out to damage the party . I don't want to state the cause of that phenomenon. Allyuh big and have sense .

[Redman]

Sounds like every political party in history.

And yet we still are.limited to those who offer themselves.

[De Dragon]

Both sides have their bloggers blogging..to sway the narrative.
What you see on FB is no more representative of the 900k voters than you are of tuner.

You post the most, but yours is a extreme view.

Extreme views on either side are not a majority

And that isn’t based on your POV being right or wrong.

As stated by you yourself, your support for the UNC is based on the upper echelons of the UNC resigning en masse for a past sin (which the populace has already adjudicated based on the last GE on IMHO) but the PNM could remain unchanged? This means they are without sin? Does this mean you are PNM until you die?

You continue to push this head.....but your intellectual leap of the day is more of a stub toe.
Ive also said that a 3rd party would be great and have my vote if they serious...-but some how you ignore that.

I get to choose whats important to me...as you do.

I have decided that not voting is not an option for me....since we need to put some one in.

If the choices are UNC or PNM then I have to pick one.
If Ive stated what I would like to see in the UNC-then until that changes.....

Once again stating your PNM cult like slant by imposing impossible standards on any other party (mind you, you have yet to impose any conditions on the PNM for your continued support, almost titling them as without fault) When in the history of this country, has any other party not in a coalition, most times against the PNM, been a viable option? Do you vote for them to claim that you weren't PNM/UNC? Or do you vote for a party with a proper chance at actually winning? Most people like be involved with a "winner" be it a party in power, or one with potential.

[j.o.e]

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 66a74.html


A WOMAN dear to Princes Town Member of Parliament Barry Padarath is being investigated by police in connection with a bank account with close to $3 million in deposits.

A Sunday Express investigation which commenced last year has revealed that the personal account of the close relative, who is a housewife, was reported to the Financial Intelligence Unit of T&T (FIU) by a banking institution.

An intelligence report was then prepared by the FIU and submitted to the Financial Investigations Branch (FIB) of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) to conduct an investigation.

The FIU does not have investigative powers.

A criminal investigation has since been launched into the source of the money and officers have compiled a list of contractors who they believe could assist in their investigations.

The Sunday Express has confirmed that police officers have visited the Office of the Prime Minister for material that could possibly help them during the period Padarath (B) was employed by then-prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar as her adviser.

While employed in that position, Padarath’s job specifications included assisting the PM with the planning and organising of policy and other related duties.

He received a salary of $18,000 a month, plus a $2,500 transport allowance.

[zoom rader]

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/query-over-3m-account/article_e3f935d6-a2e1-11ea-98b7-13a9a1f66a74.html


A WOMAN dear to Princes Town Member of Parliament Barry Padarath is being investigated by police in connection with a bank account with close to $3 million in deposits.

A Sunday Express investigation which commenced last year has revealed that the personal account of the close relative, who is a housewife, was reported to the Financial Intelligence Unit of T&T (FIU) by a banking institution.

An intelligence report was then prepared by the FIU and submitted to the Financial Investigations Branch (FIB) of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) to conduct an investigation.

The FIU does not have investigative powers.

A criminal investigation has since been launched into the source of the money and officers have compiled a list of contractors who they believe could assist in their investigations.

The Sunday Express has confirmed that police officers have visited the Office of the Prime Minister for material that could possibly help them during the period Padarath (B) was employed by then-prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar as her adviser.

While employed in that position, Padarath’s job specifications included assisting the PM with the planning and organising of policy and other related duties.

He received a salary of $18,000 a month, plus a $2,500 transport allowance.

Yeah and?

Sounds like a move to hype up PNM idiots just like they did with voter padding and Cocaine and bombs in a water tank.

If other can't see this as harassment then they real idiots

[j.o.e]

Barry’s response (it’s in the full article if you follow the link) doesn’t sound like a man who is confident he is being victimized. It’s much easier to answer questions directly than beat around the bush when you’re innocent. Time will tell

[zoom rader]

Barry’s response (it’s in the full article if you follow the link) doesn’t sound like a man who is confident he is being victimized. It’s much easier to answer questions directly than beat around the bush when you’re innocent. Time will tell

PNM made up crimes supported by a bias 1% media and PNM police leads knowhere. Look at the timing.

This is just to throw out to fuel to PNM ppl to believe anything that is put forward to these sheep.

Come on Joe I expect you to be smarter and reading the script. Have you not learnt any thing from Panday bank account and his fictitious charges?

As you said time always tell and it always leads to fictitious tales made up and nothing of sustance

[The_Honourable]

Pnmites saying that is why he duck out the country before the borders closed.

[j.o.e]

This is why Trinidad can’t get anywhere. All I do is post the article.
If a UNC being investigated is PNM propaganda if a PNM being investigated is UNC propaganda..... whole of tuner is same sheit. That’s why both sides screwing all of us over.

[zoom rader]

Pnmites saying that is why he duck out the country before the borders closed.

That's the typical idiot response you will expect from these lowly educated folk.

Thete are still alot of these idiots and mods right here on tuner

[zoom rader]

This is why Trinidad can’t get anywhere. All I do is post the article.
If a UNC being investigated is PNM propaganda if a PNM being investigated is UNC propaganda..... whole of tuner is same sheit. That’s why both sides screwing all of us over.

Then don't post trash leave that for elite

[mero]

Lol zoom fighting for black rights in one ched but wants all UNC accusing reports censored.

Zoom love Barry too bad yes.

[Redman]

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/query-over-3m-account/article_e3f935d6-a2e1-11ea-98b7-13a9a1f66a74.html


A WOMAN dear to Princes Town Member of Parliament Barry Padarath is being investigated by police in connection with a bank account with close to $3 million in deposits.

A Sunday Express investigation which commenced last year has revealed that the personal account of the close relative, who is a housewife, was reported to the Financial Intelligence Unit of T&T (FIU) by a banking institution.

An intelligence report was then prepared by the FIU and submitted to the Financial Investigations Branch (FIB) of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) to conduct an investigation.

The FIU does not have investigative powers.

A criminal investigation has since been launched into the source of the money and officers have compiled a list of contractors who they believe could assist in their investigations.

The Sunday Express has confirmed that police officers have visited the Office of the Prime Minister for material that could possibly help them during the period Padarath (B) was employed by then-prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar as her adviser.

While employed in that position, Padarath’s job specifications included assisting the PM with the planning and organising of policy and other related duties.

He received a salary of $18,000 a month, plus a $2,500 transport allowance.

Yeah and?

Sounds like a move to hype up PNM idiots just like they did with voter padding and Cocaine and bombs in a water tank.

If other can't see this as harassment then they real idiots

Of course this is also when the Office of the Prime Minister had it's hand in box drain contract.

[De Dragon]

If Barry Padarath is found guilty of something illegal, or unethical, then he has to face the full brunt of the law. Like Marlene, any evidence will find its way to the relevant persons for examination and action.

[zoom rader]

Lol zoom fighting for black rights in one ched but wants all UNC accusing reports censored.

Zoom love Barry too bad yes.

I prefer your momma bro

[zoom rader]

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/query-over-3m-account/article_e3f935d6-a2e1-11ea-98b7-13a9a1f66a74.html


A WOMAN dear to Princes Town Member of Parliament Barry Padarath is being investigated by police in connection with a bank account with close to $3 million in deposits.

A Sunday Express investigation which commenced last year has revealed that the personal account of the close relative, who is a housewife, was reported to the Financial Intelligence Unit of T&T (FIU) by a banking institution.

An intelligence report was then prepared by the FIU and submitted to the Financial Investigations Branch (FIB) of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) to conduct an investigation.

The FIU does not have investigative powers.

A criminal investigation has since been launched into the source of the money and officers have compiled a list of contractors who they believe could assist in their investigations.

The Sunday Express has confirmed that police officers have visited the Office of the Prime Minister for material that could possibly help them during the period Padarath (B) was employed by then-prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar as her adviser.

While employed in that position, Padarath’s job specifications included assisting the PM with the planning and organising of policy and other related duties.

He received a salary of $18,000 a month, plus a $2,500 transport allowance.

Yeah and?

Sounds like a move to hype up PNM idiots just like they did with voter padding and Cocaine and bombs in a water tank.

If other can't see this as harassment then they real idiots

Of course this is also when the Office of the Prime Minister had it's hand in box drain contract.

So where is Elite hands ?