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Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby MaxPower » March 16th, 2022, 3:20 pm

“The Biden administration will look to get these hundreds of millions in new aid to Ukraine as quickly as possible, with the President noting Tuesday that it is becoming "exceedingly difficult" to get new supplies into Ukraine, though they are still able to do so.”

“Exceedingly difficult”

Sounds like they just buying time hoping that Russia will take over Ukraine.

And then Pedo Joe will say…….weyyyyyyz boi Zelenkos hard luck there boy we was now now about to get this aid to you.

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Postby hover11 » March 16th, 2022, 3:34 pm

MaxPower wrote:“The Biden administration will look to get these hundreds of millions in new aid to Ukraine as quickly as possible, with the President noting Tuesday that it is becoming "exceedingly difficult" to get new supplies into Ukraine, though they are still able to do so.”

“Exceedingly difficult”

Sounds like they just buying time hoping that Russia will take over Ukraine.

And then Pedo Joe will say…….weyyyyyyz boi Zelenkos hard luck there boy we was now now about to get this aid to you.
Max,

Question if your tax dollars were being used to fund Ukraine, how would you feel?

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » March 16th, 2022, 3:47 pm

The invasion of Ukraine unites the American people against Russia and Putin

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has united the American people across partisan, ideological, and demographic lines. They mostly agree about how the U.S. government should respond, and they are in no mood to compromise with Vladimir Putin.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby redmanjp » March 16th, 2022, 3:59 pm

hover11 wrote:
adnj wrote:Singapore urges China to use its influence effectively to end Russian war on Ukraine | Thaiger

Wednesday, March 16, 2022 09:42

Singapore’s Minister for Foreign Affairs has called on China to do everything possible to persuade Russia to end the war on Ukraine. Vivian Balakrishnan referred to China’s “enormous influence” in a Bloomberg interview, saying the decisions made by the Xi Jinping government in the coming weeks will decide the future of the global economy.

“The big issue now is what decisions and actions China takes. If you get a deepening of the bifurcation of the global economy, of supply chains, of technology, this will be a very, very different world.”

Last month, Singapore became the first Southeast Asian country to impose sanctions on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. Some of the city state’s biggest banks have placed restrictions on financing for Russian raw materials, including suspending letters of credit in US dollars for trades in oil and liquified natural gas. The national carrier, Singapore Airlines, has also suspended return flights to Moscow, citing operational reasons.

Balakrishnan acknowledges Singapore is not known for imposing sanctions on other countries in the absence of binding United Nations Security Council approval. However, he says the egregiousness of Russian aggression meant the move was necessary.

“We believe we are at an inflection point. Little Singapore is standing up for principles and expressing a hope for the rules of engagement for this new era.”

Balakrishnan described Vladimir Putin’s invasion as, “perhaps even a bigger moment than the fall of the Berlin Wall,” adding that China must now use its influence to persuade Russia to end the war. He says failure to stop the war will result in, “a protracted quagmire for the Russians” and “decades of instability.”

https://thethaiger.com/news/regional/si ... on-ukraine
The same China that wants Taiwan, this is hilarious


https://www.msn.com/en-xl/asia/top-stories/china-planned-taiwan-invasion-in-fall-alleged-russian-intel-leak-claims/ar-AAV8thX?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby MaxPower » March 16th, 2022, 4:09 pm

hover11 wrote:Max,

Question if your tax dollars were being used to fund Ukraine, how would you feel?


Jason,

I have learnt to not beat up about the things i cannot change.

Our tax dollars are not used to benefit our country anyhow.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby hover11 » March 16th, 2022, 4:11 pm

MaxPower wrote:
hover11 wrote:Max,

Question if your tax dollars were being used to fund Ukraine, how would you feel?


Jason,

I have learnt to not beat up about the things i cannot change.

Our tax dollars are not used to benefit our country anyhow.
Well said

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby adnj » March 16th, 2022, 4:15 pm

U.S. sending Switchblade drones to Ukraine in $800 million package

The Switchblade is a small, light drone that can loiter in the air for up to 30 minutes before being directed to its target by an operator on the ground, dozens of miles away.

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03/16/2022 02:12 PM EDT

Updated: 03/16/2022 03:21 PM EDT

The U.S. will send 100 Switchblade drones to Ukraine as part of the Biden administration’s new $800 million weapons package, Texas Rep. Mike McCaul, the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told POLITICO.

The inclusion of the “tactical” drones, which crash into their targets, represents a new phase of weaponry being sent to Ukraine by the U.S., which so far has shipped mostly anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons. An administration official confirmed McCaul’s account that the U.S. is sending the Switchblade.

The Switchblade is a small, light drone that can loiter in the air for up to 30 minutes before being directed to its target by an operator on the ground, dozens of miles away. The drone is launched from a tube, like a mortar shell. Its real-time GPS guidance allows a service member in the field to fly it until the moment it crashes and explodes into whatever the target might be.

The weapon was first fielded in Afghanistan by U.S. special operations forces, but quickly was picked up by the Army and Marine Corps, who saw value in the light, accurate munition that can help thwart ambushes or take out vehicles.

McCaul also said that the U.S. was “working with allies” to send more S-300 surface-to-air missile systems to Ukraine. The country has had the S-300 for years, so troops should require little-to-no training on how to operate the Soviet-era anti-aircraft equipment. CNN reported that Slovakia had preliminarily agreed to transfer their S-300s to Ukraine.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/1 ... ?_amp=true

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby FordeG » March 17th, 2022, 4:00 am

The more I read the more I'm learning that Russia is not the bad one.

We have all fallen for western propaganda. Russia has far more right to go into Ukraine than the US did with Iraq.

Ukraine was directly threatening Russia with their huge military
Ukraine had stolen Russia lands like Crimea and Donesk
Ukraine has a huge NEO Nazi contingent that is getting PAID from Zalenksi
Ukraine is all up in the West's backside for years
Ukraine was heavily taxing Russian gas that passes through their country
Ukraine with the help of the US was developing Biological and Chemical weapons.

Yet, the all the media would have us convinced Putin is the next Hitler.

Putin is a good man, a man of God, a man who doesn't accept homosexuality, a man who wants the best for his people.

Look at Russia's past and compare it to any western country.

Russia NEVER had black slaves nor did Russia create a market to trade black people (1600-1800).
Russia NEVER participated in the Berlin conference to share Africa like some piece of goat meat (1884).
Russia NEVER colonised, underdeveloped and looted Africa's resources (1914-1960).
Russia NEVER enabled a safety net for African leaders to hide stolen funds, use these stolen funds to develop itself and then grant the same funds back to Africa as loans.
Russia never invaded and destabilized any African country (Libya, Somalia, Congo, Burkina Faso, Egypt, South Africa, et cetera).
Russia NEVER killed any of African Freedom Fighter but UK and USA have killed hundreds of of our Saviours and thousands you of our African Freedom Fighters are still languishing in different prisons and dungeons all over America.
Who killed Marcus Garvey of Black Panther USA.
Who killed Thomas Sankara of Burkina Faso.
Who killed Patrice Lumumba of Congo.
Who killed Malcolm X. Of Black Panther.
Who killed Mu'ammar Al' Gaddafi of Libya.
Who killed Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. Of African American.
Who Killed Tupac Sharkur.
Who Killed Fela Kuti.
Who Killed Stephen Biko of Bantu in South Africa.
Who Killed Solomon Mahlangu.
Who killed 5 million BIAFRANS.
...et cetera.
Those who did the aforementioned are the ones pushing the narrative that "Russia" has become the Boogeyman... Those who colonized and for about 100 years refused to share their technology with Africa want Africa to like those they like and hate those they hate.
Nah! Never again!
If Russia is the Boogeyman, then the west the devil himself

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Ripe Chenette » March 17th, 2022, 5:13 am

The venn diagram between afrocentristics/black supremacy and stupid is almost a circle

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

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Postby pugboy » March 17th, 2022, 6:23 am

ok, thread take a turn

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby timelapse » March 17th, 2022, 6:35 am

FordeG wrote:The more I read the more I'm learning that Russia is not the bad one.

We have all fallen for western propaganda. Russia has far more right to go into Ukraine than the US did with Iraq.

Ukraine was directly threatening Russia with their huge military
Ukraine had stolen Russia lands like Crimea and Donesk
Ukraine has a huge NEO Nazi contingent that is getting PAID from Zalenksi
Ukraine is all up in the West's backside for years
Ukraine was heavily taxing Russian gas that passes through their country
Ukraine with the help of the US was developing Biological and Chemical weapons.

Yet, the all the media would have us convinced Putin is the next Hitler.

Putin is a good man, a man of God, a man who doesn't accept homosexuality, a man who wants the best for his people.

Look at Russia's past and compare it to any western country.

Russia NEVER had black slaves nor did Russia create a market to trade black people (1600-1800).
Russia NEVER participated in the Berlin conference to share Africa like some piece of goat meat (1884).
Russia NEVER colonised, underdeveloped and looted Africa's resources (1914-1960).
Russia NEVER enabled a safety net for African leaders to hide stolen funds, use these stolen funds to develop itself and then grant the same funds back to Africa as loans.
Russia never invaded and destabilized any African country (Libya, Somalia, Congo, Burkina Faso, Egypt, South Africa, et cetera).
Russia NEVER killed any of African Freedom Fighter but UK and USA have killed hundreds of of our Saviours and thousands you of our African Freedom Fighters are still languishing in different prisons and dungeons all over America.
Who killed Marcus Garvey of Black Panther USA.
Who killed Thomas Sankara of Burkina Faso.
Who killed Patrice Lumumba of Congo.
Who killed Malcolm X. Of Black Panther.
Who killed Mu'ammar Al' Gaddafi of Libya.
Who killed Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. Of African American.
Who Killed Tupac Sharkur.
Who Killed Fela Kuti.
Who Killed Stephen Biko of Bantu in South Africa.
Who Killed Solomon Mahlangu.
Who killed 5 million BIAFRANS.
...et cetera.
Those who did the aforementioned are the ones pushing the narrative that "Russia" has become the Boogeyman... Those who colonized and for about 100 years refused to share their technology with Africa want Africa to like those they like and hate those they hate.
Nah! Never again!
If Russia is the Boogeyman, then the west the devil himself
You were actually going good.
Though it appears irrelevant to some, the afrocentric views are a prime example of the hypocrisy of the west and by west I mean Great Britain and America.I don't even consider Ireland a part of that because they got screwed over as well.They did it to Africa, India, Australia and everywhere the nasty East India Trading Company and its subsidiaries touched.
These are the real 1%.Nasty bunch of vampires that don't care about how many lives they claim creating wars, conflicts, famines and disease in 'uncivilized' places.And there is evidence of deliberate mischief making over the centuries.They just make it sound like nothing.
At the end of the day, once whatever product they peddling be it slaves,sugar,heroin,tea,guns or oil gets sold, nothing else matters

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dizzy28 » March 17th, 2022, 6:59 am

^^^ Yes the Jewish president whose grandfather and his three brothers died in the Holocaust was funding Neo Nazis!!!!!!

How did we not see that one ??

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Postby adnj » March 17th, 2022, 7:04 am

Survivors emerge from rubble of Mariupol theater bombed by Russia

By Victoria Butenko, James Frater and Jeevan Ravindran, CNN

Updated 6:34 AM EDT, Thu March 17, 2022

(CNN) People sheltering in a theater in the Ukrainian city of Mariupol are emerging from the building after it was bombed, the former head of the Donetsk region said Thursday.

Hundreds of people were thought to have taken shelter in the theater amid the ongoing Russian siege of Mariupol. Hundreds of thousands of people are trapped in the coastal city and as many as 2,500 civilians have died in Mariupol, Ukrainian officials estimate.

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"After an awful night of not knowing, we finally have good news from Mariupol on the morning of the 22nd day of the war. The bomb shelter [of the theatre] was able to hold. The rubble is beginning to be cleared. People are coming out alive," the former Donetsk region head Sergei Taruta wrote in a Facebook post Thursday. 

It was not yet clear whether all those who sheltered in the theater had survived.

After the bombing on Wednesday, Mariupol City Council shared an image of the building and said Russian forces had "purposefully and cynically destroyed the Drama Theater in the heart of Mariupol."

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/17/euro ... index.html

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Postby MaxPower » March 17th, 2022, 8:57 am

FordeG come out for them.

Morning old timer

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Postby The_Honourable » March 17th, 2022, 9:15 am

So Putin is a good boy... ok lol

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Postby timelapse » March 17th, 2022, 10:26 am

The_Honourable wrote:So Putin is a good boy... ok lol
Winston Churchill was a good boy too

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Postby Gladiator » March 17th, 2022, 10:41 am

Ripe Chenette wrote:The venn diagram between afrocentristics/black supremacy and stupid is almost a circle


LOL...

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Postby Redman » March 17th, 2022, 11:09 am

Dizzy28 wrote:^^^ Yes the Jewish president whose grandfather and his three brothers died in the Holocaust was funding Neo Nazis!!!!!!

How did we not see that one ??


Best I can see is that the truth lies in the middle.

The Nazi movement in whatever form it exists in Ukraine enjoys some support from the state- there enough citizens that are sympathetic for it to be a problem to stamp out-but not yet at a critical mass to destabilize the country.

They have buildings given to them by the govt, marches, conferences and even a music festival

Their Numbers/presence are equally OVERstated by Putin as they are UNDERstated by Zelensky and crew.

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Postby Bad Dog » March 17th, 2022, 11:20 am

When there are 2 sides to the story. In Western Media/MSM there many sides to Bad Russia/Bad Putin but the truth maybe is on the other side.
I am sure that many who saw the photograph of the pregnant injured woman at the Hospital in Mariupol felt outrage at the indiscriminate bombing of a maternity hospital, but did anyone ask why there was only 25-30 people (few were patients) in the area when the hospital had a few buildings that could house more than a 1,000 patients. If there were more patients, injured or dead do you think that the media would not show more of the injured/dead for larger impact?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... 022-03-10/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/n ... pport.html

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby Dohplaydat » March 17th, 2022, 4:36 pm

Bad Dog wrote:When there are 2 sides to the story. In Western Media/MSM there many sides to Bad Russia/Bad Putin but the truth maybe is on the other side.
I am sure that many who saw the photograph of the pregnant injured woman at the Hospital in Mariupol felt outrage at the indiscriminate bombing of a maternity hospital, but did anyone ask why there was only 25-30 people (few were patients) in the area when the hospital had a few buildings that could house more than a 1,000 patients. If there were more patients, injured or dead do you think that the media would not show more of the injured/dead for larger impact?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... 022-03-10/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/n ... pport.html


What's the other side exactly?

This war is primarily on Russian wanting to re-establish their Soviet imperial state. NATO encroachment was an excuse, it's Putin's lifelong dream to unite the Soviet empire and become relevant again.

This is a fight for the survival of Russia in the 21st century.

It's a fight Putin might lose though, but once Russia controls Ukraine, they control Europe's gas and will be relevant... somewhat, I don't think the west will ever trust Russia again and most sanctions will remain.

Russia will have to turn toward China, India and Pakistan for survival.

This isn't good for world stability as it forces East Vs West alliances.

Now back to Ukraine, is that right to invade? Is it right to basically destroy a democratic nation and take away their sovereignity?

There's basically no way you can justify that eh? Not to mention killing innocent civilians and taking away their country.

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Postby hover11 » March 17th, 2022, 4:42 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
Bad Dog wrote:When there are 2 sides to the story. In Western Media/MSM there many sides to Bad Russia/Bad Putin but the truth maybe is on the other side.
I am sure that many who saw the photograph of the pregnant injured woman at the Hospital in Mariupol felt outrage at the indiscriminate bombing of a maternity hospital, but did anyone ask why there was only 25-30 people (few were patients) in the area when the hospital had a few buildings that could house more than a 1,000 patients. If there were more patients, injured or dead do you think that the media would not show more of the injured/dead for larger impact?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... 022-03-10/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/n ... pport.html


What's the other side exactly?

This war is primarily on Russian wanting to re-establish their Soviet imperial state. NATO encroachment was an excuse, it's Putin's lifelong dream to unite the Soviet empire and become relevant again.

This is a fight for the survival of Russia in the 21st century.

It's a fight Putin might lose though, but once Russia controls Ukraine, they control Europe's gas and will be relevant... somewhat, I don't think the west will ever trust Russia again and most sanctions will remain.

Russia will have to turn toward China, India and Pakistan for survival.

This isn't good for world stability as it forces East Vs West alliances.

Now back to Ukraine, is that right to invade? Is it right to basically destroy a democratic nation and take away their sovereignity?

There's basically no way you can justify that eh? Not to mention killing innocent civilians and taking away their country.
Once China on your side who else do you really need, North Korea is doing well

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Postby De Dragon » March 17th, 2022, 5:12 pm

Bad Dog wrote:When there are 2 sides to the story. In Western Media/MSM there many sides to Bad Russia/Bad Putin but the truth maybe is on the other side.
I am sure that many who saw the photograph of the pregnant injured woman at the Hospital in Mariupol felt outrage at the indiscriminate bombing of a maternity hospital, but did anyone ask why there was only 25-30 people (few were patients) in the area when the hospital had a few buildings that could house more than a 1,000 patients. If there were more patients, injured or dead do you think that the media would not show more of the injured/dead for larger impact?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... 022-03-10/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/n ... pport.html

Maybe they thought that, Oh I don't know, a facking hospital should be off limits to deliberate bombing? :roll:
How many people dead or injured qualifies for a "larger impact?" :roll:

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Postby adnj » March 17th, 2022, 5:51 pm

Putin's chilling warning to Russian 'traitors' and 'scum' is a sign things aren't going to plan

Analysis by Angela Dewan, CNN

Updated 2:51 PM EDT, Thu March 17, 2022

(CNN) Western leaders and security agencies are spending huge amounts of resources on getting into Russian President Vladimir Putin's head. It's a futile exercise -- at times when the West has thought Russia's war in Ukraine might be losing steam, Putin has doubled down, sending his forces to bomb maternity hospitals and shelters harboring children.

Now, an apparent pause in the advancement of Russian troops has the West guessing: Has Russia's war effort stalled? Or is it a tactical regrouping?

Either way, an incendiary Stalinesque speech on Wednesday night in which Putin called Russians opposing the war "traitors" marked a change in tone and a sign that not all is going to plan, experts said. Perhaps more worrying, many observers saw it as a sign that the head of the Russian state, facing setback in Ukraine, would take a vengeful turn at home and crack down more forcefully than ever on any sign of dissent.

While some Russians support the war, many others are protesting against it in the streets, fully aware they will be rounded up by heavily armed police even for the most peaceful of demonstrations. The Russian state has made mass protests illegal, and now, insulting the military is against the law. Still, people show up in groups, while others demonstrate entirely alone. Even lone protesters have been detained, social media videos have shown.

A journalist who jumped on camera on a state-controlled news program, holding an anti-war sign, has become a cause celebré for free speech in Russia. A renowned ballerina has left the Bolshoi. Russian prisoners of war are calling Putin out for using propaganda to justify the war.

Putin, who has enjoyed consistently high ratings in Russia, is now turning to a strategy of intimidation to keep Russians on side, experts said. His speech Wednesday hinted darkly that those Russians who do not side with him were, in essence, traitors -- chilling words in a country where mass political repressions and the Gulag system are still within living memory.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/17/euro ... index.html

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Postby SuperiorMan » March 17th, 2022, 8:35 pm

adnj wrote:Putin's chilling warning to Russian 'traitors' and 'scum' is a sign things aren't going to plan

Analysis by Angela Dewan, CNN

Updated 2:51 PM EDT, Thu March 17, 2022

(CNN) Western leaders and security agencies are spending huge amounts of resources on getting into Russian President Vladimir Putin's head. It's a futile exercise -- at times when the West has thought Russia's war in Ukraine might be losing steam, Putin has doubled down, sending his forces to bomb maternity hospitals and shelters harboring children.

Now, an apparent pause in the advancement of Russian troops has the West guessing: Has Russia's war effort stalled? Or is it a tactical regrouping?

Either way, an incendiary Stalinesque speech on Wednesday night in which Putin called Russians opposing the war "traitors" marked a change in tone and a sign that not all is going to plan, experts said. Perhaps more worrying, many observers saw it as a sign that the head of the Russian state, facing setback in Ukraine, would take a vengeful turn at home and crack down more forcefully than ever on any sign of dissent.

While some Russians support the war, many others are protesting against it in the streets, fully aware they will be rounded up by heavily armed police even for the most peaceful of demonstrations. The Russian state has made mass protests illegal, and now, insulting the military is against the law. Still, people show up in groups, while others demonstrate entirely alone. Even lone protesters have been detained, social media videos have shown.

A journalist who jumped on camera on a state-controlled news program, holding an anti-war sign, has become a cause celebré for free speech in Russia. A renowned ballerina has left the Bolshoi. Russian prisoners of war are calling Putin out for using propaganda to justify the war.

Putin, who has enjoyed consistently high ratings in Russia, is now turning to a strategy of intimidation to keep Russians on side, experts said. His speech Wednesday hinted darkly that those Russians who do not side with him were, in essence, traitors -- chilling words in a country where mass political repressions and the Gulag system are still within living memory.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/17/euro ... index.html


Badass Putin.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby MaxPower » March 17th, 2022, 8:45 pm

Are Russians protesting because they stand with Ukraine?

Or is it because all the sanctions and restrictions that are affecting them?

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Postby sMASH » March 17th, 2022, 8:56 pm

first hand account from a volunteer to ukraine.. why brian stone wanted to raise funds before reaching

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Postby paid_influencer » March 17th, 2022, 9:09 pm

Redman wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:^^^ Yes the Jewish president whose grandfather and his three brothers died in the Holocaust was funding Neo Nazis!!!!!!

How did we not see that one ??


Best I can see is that the truth lies in the middle.

The Nazi movement in whatever form it exists in Ukraine enjoys some support from the state- there enough citizens that are sympathetic for it to be a problem to stamp out-but not yet at a critical mass to destabilize the country.

They have buildings given to them by the govt, marches, conferences and even a music festival

Their Numbers/presence are equally OVERstated by Putin as they are UNDERstated by Zelensky and crew.


Literal neo-nazi groups with SS badges on their uniform are getting full access to the US/NATO small arms and heavy military equipment that have disappeared into the war zone.

As black people, this is not a good thing for us. It will be like the Taliban or ISIL, but white, European and stuffed to the gills with guns and power.

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Re: Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 - Boris Johnson

Postby paid_influencer » March 17th, 2022, 9:11 pm

this is the Russian side to the story, as told by a Russian Ambassador.

The situation in Ukraine
DIPLOMATIC POUCH - Marat Pavlov - The Philippine Star
March 17, 2022 | 12:00am

In view of the large amount of fake news around Ukraine actively generated and promoted by the West and reprinted in the Philippine mass media, I’d like to explain to Filipino readers the goals of the special operation carried out by the Russian Federation, as well as the prerequisites for the current crisis.

The special operation conducted by the Russian Armed forces is aimed at the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, ensuring its neutral status, the protection of the people of Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as the Russian Federation from the military threat posed by NATO countries that are trying to use Ukrainian territory to create “Anti-Russia.”

These two provinces (Donetsk and Lugansk), called the Donbass region with population about six million Russian-speaking people, didn’t recognize the new Ukrainian government that came as a result of the coup d’état in 2014. They declared independence because in a state with tens of millions of Russian-speaking citizens, the new Kiev regime unleashed an uncompromising struggle against the Russian language and culture. The ideology of neo-Nazism was aggressively propagated. Extrajudicial reprisals against political opponents have become the norm of life. Pushed by the collective West, the Kiev regime was not only doing their utmost to create a cultural and ideological gap between our fraternal peoples, but mocking the sacred memory of our common ancestors who defended the world, side by side, from Nazi Germany.

For eight years, the genocide and bloody war against the inhabitants of Donbass continued. These territories were put under siege and switched off from the banking system, food supplies and payments of pensions.

For eight years, Russia has been trying to find a political solution so that these areas remain inside Ukraine. It called the Kiev authorities to comply with the Minsk agreements, but in vain. In its turn, Ukraine openly declared its willingness to become a NATO member, fully understanding that this decision will be a red line for Russia.

In December 2021, Russia requested guarantees from the US that NATO will not advance eastward, including the accession of Ukraine into the alliance and non-deployment of serious offensive weapons. But the US rejected our proposal.

Russia had no other choice but to recognize the independence of Donetsk and Lugansk and start special military operation on Feb. 24, 2022 to end the ongoing war in Donbass.

Moreover, today we know for sure that the Kiev regime, with the help of the US leadership and its NATO allies, prepared a large-scale offensive operation in the Donbass in March 2022. The confirmation of this fact are the secret documents as of Jan. 22, 2022 of the command of the National Guard of Ukraine which ended up in the hands of the Russian servicemen during a special military operation.

Ukraine, guided by the US and NATO, has become a source of not only a military threat for Russia, but also a nuclear and biological one.

On Feb. 19, 2022 President Zelensky announced a possible renunciation by Ukraine of nuclear weapons. Everybody knows that Ukraine has had nuclear and missile competencies since the Soviet times. And they also receive help with that from across the ocean.

The Kiev regime was found to have been concealing traces of a military biological program implemented with funding from the US Department of Defense. A chain of more than 30 biolabs on the territory of Ukraine was revealed during special military operation. Components of biological weapons were being developed in direct proximity to Russian territory, posing threat not only to Russia but to the whole of Europe.

Russia has no plans to occupy Ukraine. The Russian military does not carry out missile, air and artillery strikes against cities and civilians. The threat to civilians in Ukraine today does not come from the Russian military, who is targeting only military infrastructure with high-precision weapons, but from the Kiev regime, which launched terror against its fellow citizens, as well as from the “nationalist battalions” that it does not control. The nationalists deploys tanks, artillery and MLRS in residential areas. The Russian Armed Forces leave humanitarian passages for those who want to leave. But the Ukrainian army in the surrounded cities are keeping people as human shields, ignoring orders from Kiev despite the agreements reached during the Russian-Ukrainian negotiations in Belorussia.

The Kiev regime has released criminals from prisons and distributed firearms to them. Nobody controls the supplies of lethal weapons to Ukraine as well, including MANPADS, often used by terrorists to threaten civilian aircraft. The risks for it will persist for many years to come not only in Ukraine’s air space, but across Europe.

In spite all of this, an unprecedented information war has been unleashed against Russia. It’s being accused of all sins. At the same time Russian broadcasting channels such as RT and news agencies such as Sputnik are closed all over the Europe. Russian broadcasting platforms are banned on YouTube. Where are the vaunted freedom of speech and open access to information?

With regard to the crisis in Ukraine, I’d like to call the Philippine audience to be more cautious with the information provided by Western media outlets. Russia stands for the soonest comprehensive settlement of the Ukrainian crisis, which would ensure the security of the European continent for all countries without exception.

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Marat Pavlov is the Russian Ambassador to the Philippines.

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