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sMASH wrote:Just saw a vid of it, it seems like it wasnt generating more lift to keep climbing , and.thst coudl be cause it didn't have enough speed.
Pilot may have panicked and tried to elevate but ended up slowing down the plane.
Air India confirms the nationalities of the passengers that were on board the London-bound Boeing Dreamliner that crashed in Ahmedabad an hour ago:
India 169
UK 53
Portugal 7
Canada 1
Is how this building holding up better than the WTC twin towers. India must have some really strong concrete and steel.Dizzy28 wrote:Air India confirms the nationalities of the passengers that were on board the London-bound Boeing Dreamliner that crashed in Ahmedabad an hour ago:
India 169
UK 53
Portugal 7
Canada 1
U r most welcome to soak in my awesomeness .Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:Just saw a vid of it, it seems like it wasnt generating more lift to keep climbing , and.thst coudl be cause it didn't have enough speed.
Pilot may have panicked and tried to elevate but ended up slowing down the plane.
Aww shiet !!! Habibi is also an expert on aviation as well as Global conflicts!!!!!
Shhhhhhfokhan_96 wrote:Is how this building holding up better than the WTC twin towers. India must have some really strong concrete and steel.Dizzy28 wrote:Air India confirms the nationalities of the passengers that were on board the London-bound Boeing Dreamliner that crashed in Ahmedabad an hour ago:
India 169
UK 53
Portugal 7
Canada 1
fokhan_96 wrote:Is how this building holding up better than the WTC twin towers. India must have some really strong concrete and steel.Dizzy28 wrote:Air India confirms the nationalities of the passengers that were on board the London-bound Boeing Dreamliner that crashed in Ahmedabad an hour ago:
India 169
UK 53
Portugal 7
Canada 1
alfa wrote:I thought structural steel does melt when planes crash into buildings
redmanjp wrote:alfa wrote:I thought structural steel does melt when planes crash into buildings
i not seeing any fire in that pic
alfa wrote:redmanjp wrote:alfa wrote:I thought structural steel does melt when planes crash into buildings
i not seeing any fire in that pic
Video showed the fireball
Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:Just saw a vid of it, it seems like it wasnt generating more lift to keep climbing , and.thst coudl be cause it didn't have enough speed.
Pilot may have panicked and tried to elevate but ended up slowing down the plane.
Aww shiet !!! Habibi is also an expert on aviation as well as Global conflicts!!!!!
He had a good climb angle and was climbing . It started to go down with no change in angle.Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:[He had a good climb angle and was climbing . It started to go down with no change in angle.
That means it lost speed to cause it to lose lift.
We see no problems like smoke or fire , so it seems like something shut off , or like fuel got cut, just causing the power to drop, and lose speed.
Pilot should have tried to level out the plane to get back some speed, but that plane stayed like it was frozen.
Either the pilots panicked and did nothing or they tried to do sumting but they didn't have controls.
So prolly electrical or hydraulic failure to lose control of the elevator etc and prolly the fuel solenoid valves too.
Coat this for when the black box data gets released .
The thing is , the plane did actually go up. It just went down right after. Something changed right after going air borne.MaxPower wrote:sMASH wrote:[He had a good climb angle and was climbing . It started to go down with no change in angle.
That means it lost speed to cause it to lose lift.
We see no problems like smoke or fire , so it seems like something shut off , or like fuel got cut, just causing the power to drop, and lose speed.
Pilot should have tried to level out the plane to get back some speed, but that plane stayed like it was frozen.
Either the pilots panicked and did nothing or they tried to do sumting but they didn't have controls.
So prolly electrical or hydraulic failure to lose control of the elevator etc and prolly the fuel solenoid valves too.
Coat this for when the black box data gets released .
Mash,
I noticed the landing gear was not retracted.
A good climb angle and the height seen in video “should have” meant that he achieved a “positive rate” and the gear retracted.
Also experts have been saying their flap setting was zero….lil hard to take off with no flaps as flaps setting and verification is done in the before taxi, before take off and in addition to that, if take off thrust is set with no flap setting, the take off config warning aurally warns the crew…so to bypass 3 checks for flaps setting is hard to believe.
In my aviation expert overnight experience, they had a flap setting…maybe 1 or 5 and it is very hard to tell that from the two videos shown.
In my opinion….loss of thrust on both engines and crew distraction prevented the landing gear from being retracted…or in addition to loss of thrust, a hydraulic failure.
Also, very important to note….the loadsheet document which is what the crew uses to enter in their (FMC) flight management computer, the weight of passengers, bags, fuel etc and trim setting. This info is very critical as an incorrect (ZFW) zero fuel weight entered in the FMC, will affect take off speeds and flap setting.
Layman Terms E.g - let’s say your weight is really 75,000 kgs, but you accidentally enter 7,500 kgs in the flight computer….you basically telling the aircraft that you are lighter. A lighter aircraft gets off the ground faster than a heavier one, which means your VR (rotation speed) or the speed when you pull back on the controls to lift off will be less.
So when the aircraft is supposed to lift off at lets say at 175 knots for a heavy aircraft…the computer is telling you to lift off at 150….so u pulling back pulling back on the controls cuz nothing happening cuz u too heavy. When you do lift off…remember you now at the 175 knots…but the lower speed still in the computer. So you at a higher speed in flight, but you seeing a lower speed on the screen, so to achieve that you have to raise the nose to match that speed…..but then, you could stall if you get too slow.
Also incorrect loading of cargo etc can be a factor as it affects your trim setting. If u have a set of weight in the back of the plane, but the loadsheet has it as in the front….the aircraft gonna fly thinking the weight in the front. That is level back pressure to hold on them controls. Remedy for stall
I eh know
PariaMan wrote:Video man say you would have seen external signs of catastrophic failure.. also its unlikely that both engines failed at same time
I agree with him
Pilot error
Thats very clear
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