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Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby foss » June 12th, 2025, 7:49 am

12/6/2025

At least 30 killed as Air India plane with 242 on board crashes near Ahmedabad

Flight was bound for London's Gatwick Airport
Police say plane crashed on doctors' hostel
30-35 bodies recovered from building
Plane was Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner

AHMEDABAD, India, June 12 (Reuters) - At least 30 people were killed when an Air India plane bound for London with 242 people on board crashed minutes after taking off from India's western city of Ahmedabad on Thursday, with the toll expected to climb, authorities said.

The plane was headed for Gatwick Airport, south of the British capital, Air India said, while police officers said it crashed in a residential area near the airport.

"The building on which it has crashed is a doctors' hostel... we have cleared almost 70% to 80% of the area and will clear the rest soon," a senior police officer told reporters.

India's CNN News-18 TV channels said the plane crashed on top of the dining area of state-run B.J. Medical College hostel, killing many medical students as well. It showed a visual of a portion of the aircraft perched atop the building.
Rescue workers said that at least 30 to 35 bodies had been recovered from the site and that more people were trapped.
The passengers included 217 adults, 11 children and two infants a source told Reuters. Of them, 169 were Indian nationals, 53 were Britons, seven Portuguese, and one Canadian, Air India said.

Aviation tracking site Flightradar24 said the plane was a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, one of the most modern passenger aircraft in service.

It was the first crash for the Dreamliner, which began flying commercially in 2011, according to the Aviation Safety Network database. The plane that crashed on Thursday flew for the first time in 2013 and was delivered to Air India in January 2014, Flightradar24 said.
"At this moment, we are ascertaining the details and will share further updates," Air India said on X. "The injured are being taken to the nearest hospitals."

CRASH JUST AFTER TAKE-OFF

The crash occurred just after the plane took off, television channels reported. One channel showed the plane taking off over a residential area and then disappearing from the screen before a huge jet of fire can be seen rising into the sky from beyond the houses.

Visuals also showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport.

They also showed people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances.

"My sister-in-law was going to London. Within an hour, I got news that the plane had crashed," Poonam Patel, a relative of one of the passengers, told news agency ANI at the government hospital in Ahmedabad.

Ramila, the mother of a student at the medical college, told ANI her son had gone to the hostel for his lunch break when the plane crashed. "My son is safe, and I have spoken to him. He jumped from the second floor, so he suffered some injuries," she said.

According to air traffic control at Ahmedabad Airport, the aircraft departed at 1.39 p.m. (0809 GMT) from runway 23. It gave a "Mayday" call, signalling an emergency, but thereafter there was no response from the aircraft.

Flightradar24 also said that it received the last signal from the aircraft seconds after it took off.

Boeing said it was aware of initial reports and was working to gather more information. Boeing (BA.N)
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Britain was working with Indian authorities to urgently establish the facts around the crash and to provide support to those involved, the country's foreign office said in a statement posted on its website.

"The tragedy in Ahmedabad has stunned and saddened us," Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi posted on X. "It is heartbreaking beyond words."

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said images emerging of the crash were "devastating", and that he was being kept informed as the situation developed. A Buckingham Palace spokesperson said King Charles was also being kept updated.

MODI'S HOME STATE

The Indian aviation minister's office said Prime Minister Narendra Modi had directed it to ensure all support was extended to the rescue efforts immediately.
Ahmedabad is the main city in Modi's home state of Gujarat.

Ahmedabad Airport said it had suspended all flight operations with immediate effect. The airport is operated by India's Adani Group conglomerate.

"We are shocked and deeply saddened by the tragedy of Air India Flight 171," Gautam Adani, founder and chairman of the group, posted on X.

"Our hearts go out to the families who have suffered an unimaginable loss. We are working closely with all authorities and extending full support to the families on the ground," he said.

The last fatal plane crash in India was in 2020 and involved Air India Express, the airline's low-cost arm.

The airline's Boeing-737 overshot a "table-top" runway at Kozhikode International Airport in southern India. The plane skidded off the runway, plunging into a valley and crashing nose-first into the ground.

Twenty-one people were killed in that crash.

The formerly state-owned Air India was taken over by Indian conglomerate Tata Group in 2022, and merged with Vistara - a joint venture between the group and Singapore Airlines – in 2024.

Tata said an emergency centre had been activated and a support team set up for families seeking information.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/pla ... 025-06-12/

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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby sMASH » June 12th, 2025, 8:16 am

Awaits black box data .
Boeing taking real L's these last few years

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Postby sMASH » June 12th, 2025, 8:54 am

Just saw a vid of it, it seems like it wasnt generating more lift to keep climbing , and.thst coudl be cause it didn't have enough speed.

Pilot may have panicked and tried to elevate but ended up slowing down the plane.

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Postby Dizzy28 » June 12th, 2025, 9:15 am

sMASH wrote:Just saw a vid of it, it seems like it wasnt generating more lift to keep climbing , and.thst coudl be cause it didn't have enough speed.

Pilot may have panicked and tried to elevate but ended up slowing down the plane.


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Postby foss » June 12th, 2025, 9:21 am

First loss of a 787 since introduction in 2011....

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Postby Dizzy28 » June 12th, 2025, 9:39 am

Image

Air India confirms the nationalities of the passengers that were on board the London-bound Boeing Dreamliner that crashed in Ahmedabad an hour ago:

India 169
UK 53
Portugal 7
Canada 1

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Postby fokhan_96 » June 12th, 2025, 9:47 am

Dizzy28 wrote:Image

Air India confirms the nationalities of the passengers that were on board the London-bound Boeing Dreamliner that crashed in Ahmedabad an hour ago:

India 169
UK 53
Portugal 7
Canada 1
Is how this building holding up better than the WTC twin towers. India must have some really strong concrete and steel.

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Postby sMASH » June 12th, 2025, 10:06 am

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:Just saw a vid of it, it seems like it wasnt generating more lift to keep climbing , and.thst coudl be cause it didn't have enough speed.

Pilot may have panicked and tried to elevate but ended up slowing down the plane.


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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby sMASH » June 12th, 2025, 10:07 am

fokhan_96 wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Image

Air India confirms the nationalities of the passengers that were on board the London-bound Boeing Dreamliner that crashed in Ahmedabad an hour ago:

India 169
UK 53
Portugal 7
Canada 1
Is how this building holding up better than the WTC twin towers. India must have some really strong concrete and steel.
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Postby Les Bain » June 12th, 2025, 10:13 am

fokhan_96 wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Image

Air India confirms the nationalities of the passengers that were on board the London-bound Boeing Dreamliner that crashed in Ahmedabad an hour ago:

India 169
UK 53
Portugal 7
Canada 1
Is how this building holding up better than the WTC twin towers. India must have some really strong concrete and steel.


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Postby alfa » June 12th, 2025, 11:10 am

I thought structural steel does melt when planes crash into buildings

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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby foss » June 12th, 2025, 11:14 am

1 survivor so far, at least 200 killed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3v6drp96zo

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Postby redmanjp » June 12th, 2025, 11:25 am

alfa wrote:I thought structural steel does melt when planes crash into buildings


i not seeing any fire in that pic :roll:

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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby alfa » June 12th, 2025, 11:41 am

redmanjp wrote:
alfa wrote:I thought structural steel does melt when planes crash into buildings


i not seeing any fire in that pic :roll:

Video showed the fireball

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Postby xtech » June 12th, 2025, 11:54 am

alfa wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
alfa wrote:I thought structural steel does melt when planes crash into buildings


i not seeing any fire in that pic :roll:

Video showed the fireball



Obviously That’s not the first building that it hit. The ship kept skipping along the roof tops

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Postby SuperMan9999 » June 12th, 2025, 1:07 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:Just saw a vid of it, it seems like it wasnt generating more lift to keep climbing , and.thst coudl be cause it didn't have enough speed.

Pilot may have panicked and tried to elevate but ended up slowing down the plane.


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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby triniterribletim » June 12th, 2025, 1:20 pm

One survivor, managed to deploy the emergency exit door and ran out before the fire engulfed the cabin. Walked to the ambulance. Amazingly lucky.

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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby sMASH » June 12th, 2025, 3:56 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
He had a good climb angle and was climbing . It started to go down with no change in angle.
That means it lost speed to cause it to lose lift.


We see no problems like smoke or fire , so it seems like something shut off , or like fuel got cut, just causing the power to drop, and lose speed.


Pilot should have tried to level out the plane to get back some speed, but that plane stayed like it was frozen.

Either the pilots panicked and did nothing or they tried to do sumting but they didn't have controls.

So prolly electrical or hydraulic failure to lose control of the elevator etc and prolly the fuel solenoid valves too.


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Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby MaxPower » June 12th, 2025, 5:10 pm

sMASH wrote:[He had a good climb angle and was climbing . It started to go down with no change in angle.
That means it lost speed to cause it to lose lift.


We see no problems like smoke or fire , so it seems like something shut off , or like fuel got cut, just causing the power to drop, and lose speed.


Pilot should have tried to level out the plane to get back some speed, but that plane stayed like it was frozen.

Either the pilots panicked and did nothing or they tried to do sumting but they didn't have controls.

So prolly electrical or hydraulic failure to lose control of the elevator etc and prolly the fuel solenoid valves too.


Coat this for when the black box data gets released .


Mash,

I noticed the landing gear was not retracted.

A good climb angle and the height seen in video “should have” meant that he achieved a “positive rate” and the gear retracted.

Also experts have been saying their flap setting was zero….lil hard to take off with no flaps as flaps setting and verification is done in the before taxi, before take off and in addition to that, if take off thrust is set with no flap setting, the take off config warning aurally warns the crew…so to bypass 3 checks for flaps setting is hard to believe.

In my aviation expert overnight experience, they had a flap setting…maybe 1 or 5 and it is very hard to tell that from the two videos shown.

In my opinion….loss of thrust on both engines and crew distraction prevented the landing gear from being retracted…or in addition to loss of thrust, a hydraulic failure.

Also, very important to note….the loadsheet document which is what the crew uses to enter in their (FMC) flight management computer, the weight of passengers, bags, fuel etc and trim setting. This info is very critical as an incorrect (ZFW) zero fuel weight entered in the FMC, will affect take off speeds and flap setting.

Layman Terms E.g - let’s say your weight is really 75,000 kgs, but you accidentally enter 7,500 kgs in the flight computer….you basically telling the aircraft that you are lighter. A lighter aircraft gets off the ground faster than a heavier one, which means your VR (rotation speed) or the speed when you pull back on the controls to lift off will be less.

So when the aircraft is supposed to lift off at lets say at 175 knots for a heavy aircraft…the computer is telling you to lift off at 150….so u pulling back pulling back on the controls cuz nothing happening cuz u too heavy. When you do lift off…remember you now at the 175 knots…but the lower speed still in the computer. So you at a higher speed in flight, but you seeing a lower speed on the screen, so to achieve that you have to raise the nose to match that speed…..but then, you could stall if you get too slow.

Also incorrect loading of cargo etc can be a factor as it affects your trim setting. If u have a set of weight in the back of the plane, but the loadsheet has it as in the front….the aircraft gonna fly thinking the weight in the front. That is level back pressure to hold on them controls. Remedy for stall

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » June 12th, 2025, 5:13 pm

Saddest pic to remember for years to come
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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby sMASH » June 13th, 2025, 3:59 am

MaxPower wrote:
sMASH wrote:[He had a good climb angle and was climbing . It started to go down with no change in angle.
That means it lost speed to cause it to lose lift.


We see no problems like smoke or fire , so it seems like something shut off , or like fuel got cut, just causing the power to drop, and lose speed.


Pilot should have tried to level out the plane to get back some speed, but that plane stayed like it was frozen.

Either the pilots panicked and did nothing or they tried to do sumting but they didn't have controls.

So prolly electrical or hydraulic failure to lose control of the elevator etc and prolly the fuel solenoid valves too.


Coat this for when the black box data gets released .


Mash,

I noticed the landing gear was not retracted.

A good climb angle and the height seen in video “should have” meant that he achieved a “positive rate” and the gear retracted.

Also experts have been saying their flap setting was zero….lil hard to take off with no flaps as flaps setting and verification is done in the before taxi, before take off and in addition to that, if take off thrust is set with no flap setting, the take off config warning aurally warns the crew…so to bypass 3 checks for flaps setting is hard to believe.

In my aviation expert overnight experience, they had a flap setting…maybe 1 or 5 and it is very hard to tell that from the two videos shown.

In my opinion….loss of thrust on both engines and crew distraction prevented the landing gear from being retracted…or in addition to loss of thrust, a hydraulic failure.

Also, very important to note….the loadsheet document which is what the crew uses to enter in their (FMC) flight management computer, the weight of passengers, bags, fuel etc and trim setting. This info is very critical as an incorrect (ZFW) zero fuel weight entered in the FMC, will affect take off speeds and flap setting.

Layman Terms E.g - let’s say your weight is really 75,000 kgs, but you accidentally enter 7,500 kgs in the flight computer….you basically telling the aircraft that you are lighter. A lighter aircraft gets off the ground faster than a heavier one, which means your VR (rotation speed) or the speed when you pull back on the controls to lift off will be less.

So when the aircraft is supposed to lift off at lets say at 175 knots for a heavy aircraft…the computer is telling you to lift off at 150….so u pulling back pulling back on the controls cuz nothing happening cuz u too heavy. When you do lift off…remember you now at the 175 knots…but the lower speed still in the computer. So you at a higher speed in flight, but you seeing a lower speed on the screen, so to achieve that you have to raise the nose to match that speed…..but then, you could stall if you get too slow.

Also incorrect loading of cargo etc can be a factor as it affects your trim setting. If u have a set of weight in the back of the plane, but the loadsheet has it as in the front….the aircraft gonna fly thinking the weight in the front. That is level back pressure to hold on them controls. Remedy for stall

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The thing is , the plane did actually go up. It just went down right after. Something changed right after going air borne.


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Postby PariaMan » June 13th, 2025, 7:25 am

Man say pilot error unless clear evidence yet to be revealed indicates otherwise

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Postby redmanjp » June 13th, 2025, 9:29 am

Sole survivor dive through d emergency exit just before the crash

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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby Arcmanov » June 13th, 2025, 11:45 am

Not an expert by any stretch, but I've dabbled in enough simulators to make an educated guess.

It looks like an immediate and catastrophic loss of thrust, most likely due to engine failure. Both engines too. As to what would have caused that...only the flight data recorders can say.

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Postby redmanjp » June 13th, 2025, 1:27 pm

black box recovered so we should know more soon

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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby PariaMan » June 13th, 2025, 3:46 pm

Video man say you would have seen external signs of catastrophic failure.. also its unlikely that both engines failed at same time

I agree with him

Pilot error

Thats very clear

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Re: Air India Boeing 787 Crash

Postby MaxPower » June 13th, 2025, 4:49 pm

PariaMan wrote:Video man say you would have seen external signs of catastrophic failure.. also its unlikely that both engines failed at same time

I agree with him

Pilot error

Thats very clear


How come weight and balance is not being considered?

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