Mr Gear challenges CoP & T. C. over Tint Pg. 5

Postby **Mr Gear** » March 24th, 2009, 9:55 am

Yes folks, your not so friendly citizen's advocate is set to throw down against the Commissioner of Police and the Transport Commissioner this Thursday over their misinterpretation of the laws governing tint.

So get your MV & RTA handy because these lessons are gonna hit them hard and may even hit them where it hurts - their pockets !

The majority of Private Motor Vehicles are immune from the so called tint laws...stay tuned.

Those of you who know me will know that i don't back and I don't lose either.

Place your bets HERE !!!

Freelander · Postby **Freelander** » March 24th, 2009, 9:57 am

0_0 grabs popcorn with extra butter and large coke

lines up 2 hours in advance for seats :shock:

crash dummy · Postby **crash dummy** » March 24th, 2009, 10:01 am

synopsis on the alleged offence :?:

Postby **tr1ad** » March 24th, 2009, 10:03 am

dat dam preview is only 15 seconds long....why dey dont jess show the whole movie

Postby **Mr Gear** » March 24th, 2009, 10:04 am

See Part II Section 12. (1) to 13 (3)

Also

Section 15. (1) (a)
Section 23. (1) (d)
Section 30
First Schedule Form 3

Highlight and read up these references for some intelligent debate soon to be posted.

Sheriff · Postby **Sheriff** » March 24th, 2009, 10:05 am

lol, pressure for them, Go Gear.

cornfused · Postby **cornfused** » March 24th, 2009, 10:06 am

we i for one pledging my support for the sassman ,

23. (1) (d) no motor vehicle the windscreen or any other winÂdow of which is fitted with glass so tinted, treated or darkened as to obscure the view of the inside of the vehicle from the outside;

this is subject to too much interpretation and no officer should be making any informed person remove their tint on this "view"

Postby **Mr Gear** » March 24th, 2009, 10:07 am

By the way. I have not been targeted to remove any tint and I am at no risk of being asked to remove tint.

I am just asking that the true law be used. I don't like it when arbitrary interpretation of the law are used to oppress our citizens.

White CZ4A · Postby **White CZ4A** » March 24th, 2009, 10:10 am

subscribed

Razkal · Postby **Razkal** » March 24th, 2009, 10:12 am

wtf...again? :lol:

HondaHo de 1st · Postby **HondaHo de 1st** » March 24th, 2009, 10:15 am

*gets pom poms ready to cheer one Mr Gear*.................. buh ah eh wearing no cheerleader outfit eh

Freelander · Postby **Freelander** » March 24th, 2009, 10:16 am

HondaHo de 1st wrote:*gets pom poms ready to cheer one Mr Gear*.................. buh ah eh wearing no cheerleader outfit eh

but its just ur size :lol:

Postby **Ignorant Ignis** » March 24th, 2009, 10:18 am

well done mr gear

SUPAstarr · Postby **SUPAstarr** » March 24th, 2009, 10:20 am

rite i was waitin for this i had a feelin Mr. Gear wud sooner or later get involved so i already hav my MVRT

AbstractPoetic · Postby **AbstractPoetic** » March 24th, 2009, 10:24 am

The law is never set in stone. Laws are meant to be interpreted, biases and hypocrisy aside. You will lose.

Freelander · Postby **Freelander** » March 24th, 2009, 10:26 am

sigh let the flames begin :roll:

Postby **wagon r** » March 24th, 2009, 10:26 am

i just printed a whole set to throw in the van....i waiting for them.

0awg · Postby **0awg** » March 24th, 2009, 10:28 am

ap, hymc!

mr gear, you are my hero :oops:

Sumana.00 · Postby **Sumana.00** » March 24th, 2009, 10:29 am

Mr Gear wrote:By the way. I have not been targeted to remove any tint and I am at no risk of being asked to remove tint.

I am just asking that the true law be used. I don't like it when arbitrary interpretation of the law are used to oppress our citizens.

They'll claim that they can use a purposive approach to the law...

originalbling · Postby **originalbling** » March 24th, 2009, 10:32 am

Mr. Gear, count me in - feel free to PM me with whatever i can assist with regards to this.

adri 2nr · Postby **adri 2nr** » March 24th, 2009, 10:33 am

bout time

16 cycles · Postby **16 cycles** » March 24th, 2009, 10:36 am

link to entire document / sections pls?

Zeriam · Postby **Zeriam** » March 24th, 2009, 10:37 am

hmmm maybe i should get a copy of the laws

AbstractPoetic · Postby **AbstractPoetic** » March 24th, 2009, 10:39 am

What exactly is "true law"? Moreover you've decided to become the V for Vendetta in your country because YOU do not like the interpretation of said legislation? Your argument is incorrectly premised on seeing consistency. The law is obscure and as such so will be the actions of those enforcing the law. Game. Set. Match. Goodbye.

rodfarva · Postby **rodfarva** » March 24th, 2009, 10:42 am

Sumana.00 wrote:
Mr Gear wrote:By the way. I have not been targeted to remove any tint and I am at no risk of being asked to remove tint.

I am just asking that the true law be used. I don't like it when arbitrary interpretation of the law are used to oppress our citizens.

They'll claim that they can use a purposive approach to the law...

That is the whole point of the argument. That they should not use a Purposive approach. Rather Textualism, since the whole issue is so loosely defined in the MVA. They can not define the Intention of the Tint related Sections in the MVA. A purposive approach is not acceptable here.

wagonrunner · Postby **wagonrunner** » March 24th, 2009, 10:45 am

good going Nebert, you've scored a huge one wrt to license plate stickers before.
and it has benefitted many of us, hopefully you'll do it again in this situation, again for the many of us, depsite the know-it-all's who sense of enlightenment.

Postby **Midnight_Demon** » March 24th, 2009, 11:11 am

AbstractPoetic wrote:What exactly is "true law"? Moreover you've decided to become the V for Vendetta in your country because YOU do not like the interpretation of said legislation? Your argument is incorrectly premised on seeing consistency. The law is obscure and as such so will be the actions of those enforcing the law. Game. Set. Match. Goodbye.

bye !!! PLEASE DO NOT come back

AbstractPoetic · Postby **AbstractPoetic** » March 24th, 2009, 11:42 am

[b]rodfarva[/], who should assume the responsibility of not only promulgating but making law? Even under a textualist guise, interpretation by one or more legislators of the text is still applied. Predilections of what the law ought to be will ultimately influence the legislator's interpretation of what the law is.

Sumana.00 · Postby **Sumana.00** » March 24th, 2009, 11:55 am

rodfarva wrote:
Sumana.00 wrote:
Mr Gear wrote:By the way. I have not been targeted to remove any tint and I am at no risk of being asked to remove tint.

I am just asking that the true law be used. I don't like it when arbitrary interpretation of the law are used to oppress our citizens.

They'll claim that they can use a purposive approach to the law...

That is the whole point of the argument. That they should not use a Purposive approach. Rather Textualism, since the whole issue is so loosely defined in the MVA. They can not define the Intention of the Tint related Sections in the MVA. A purposive approach is not acceptable here.

...Because they cannot define that intention of the tint in the MVA they're gonna say that the law makers could not possibly have intended that cars with dark tints get away because of crime blah blah blah whatever reasons they pull out, hence teleological approach will be very much welcomed

lol so much bs'in in the legal system

SUPAstarr · Postby **SUPAstarr** » March 24th, 2009, 11:57 am

AP

We get your opinion an everythin but the man has taken on a similar situation as regards to sticker number plates an came out on top, it very much the same as the law as regards to number plates are left up to the individual officer's interpretation, an had no clear definition of what a plate shud be. Same applies here, but its the effort from him that is appreciated more than the indiviual outcome. Sayin the man will lose from the get go is jus an ignorant "i give up" attitude