Brake Upgrades for CK Mivec?

[shaker]

i am currently using CK Mivec Front brakes and CK6 rear discs; using wagner quick stop brake pads with a mivec brake booster.

brake pads have recently been changed, lines bled, fluid changed, front rotors skimmed etc etc.

however, to me, my car's braking system is not as efficient as i would like it to be.

For example just recently i ran my car hard from San Fernando to Barrackpore and when i reached my destination my rotors were smokin'.

What options do i have for an upgrade?

[Rudman]

Stop driving hard......

[shaker]

where's the fun in that?

[fras]

upgrade brake rotors & brake pads
or
twin piston front brakes

[*KRONIK*]

using wagner quick stop brake pads

dats ur problem rite there

[QuickPc's]

first of all skimmin your rotors is not always a good idea... look @ them from an angle and see if they have small surface cracks on them... if they do that tends to hold gas makin them less efficient... you can also try upgrading to an evo 4 brake booster if you can find one to buy... if all else fails stop drivin hard as rudman said...

[Sanctifier]

What options do i have for an upgrade?

Just how fast do you want to stop?... Just how big is your budget?... It's the same question.

Mivec/1800 GSR BRAKE UPGRADE:
Stage 1: ... Evo 4/VR4 2-pot front calipers... PLUS E4/VR4 Master cylinder
................ PLUS OEM (E4/VR4) pads.

Stage 2: ... Stage 1 parts... PLUS 1-1½" WIDER rims & tyres.

Stage 3: ... Evo 5-9 BREMBO calipers (4-pot front / 2-pot rear)... PLUS E5-9 Master cylinder/Booster...
................ PLUS 17" Evo rims & tyres.

Stage 4: ... Stage 3 parts... PLUS Evo X rotors ft & rr... (Evo X MR Rotors are BIGGER/LIGHTER than E5-9)
................ PLUS 18" (Evo X ???) rims & tyres...

PHYSICS: Same braking effort + Greater "Moment of force" (bigger Rotors) = SHORTER Stopping Distance!

Your choice... BTW I went with Stage 3 for my GSR/Evo 6 conversion...
Just bought another set (ft. & rr.) for upcoming rwd Lancer 1800 GSR Project... No regrets.

After using Evo 6 RS in anger... NOTHING else comes close to Brembos IMHO.
After the steering, the Brembo brakes are even more impressive than the power of the E6.

An Evo 6 RS2 goes from 0-60 mph in 4.5 sec... and STOPS from 60-0 mph in 2.5 sec.
... with NO ABS... No tail-waggling... NO Tyre Noise... NO DRAMA!
For even SHORTER stopping and less fade use Ferodo DS2500 pads with Brembos.

My $0.02¢

[Death-Row]

Sanctifier,check pm.

[Sanctifier]

^ ^ ^ You have reply. Call 633-4552 if you need more details.

[MISHI]

Was the MIVEC brake upgrade a full one with the Booster?

The proportioning valve on MIVEC/ GSR/ 1.8 Lancer wagon/ galant models had a different orientation to the ones used on the 1300/ 1600 models...


trace the lines to the valve... the front lines should connect to the point closest to the the lines from the brake master cylinder

[fras]

Sanctifier what is the E4 bolt pattern? Isn't the E3 twin pistion a good upgrade also (4X114)... VR4 is also 4X114?

[Sanctifier]

^ ^ ^ AFAIK E3 / E4 and VR4 2-pot front calipers should be the same part. MISHI is the guru on that one.

Just checked with Haywire (ex E4 owner) E1-3 = 4-stud hubs... 114.3mm & various offsets.
E4-9 = 5-stud hubs... 114.3mm & various offsets. More info here...

Link--> Evo Essentials - The Definitive Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Owners Guide.

My $0.02¢

[MISHI]

^ yep correct

All performance mitsu cars were 114.3 pattern it seems...

MIVEC and GSR run a single pot 254mm braking system, whereas the evo 1-3 is 276mm twin pot.

In my opinion though, the GSR 1800 AWD would benefit from the stage one 276mm upgrade. The mivec brakes suit it fine with a set of good brake pads, and a maintained system (good fluid and pedal in spec with regard to free play)

[shaker]

would the stage 1 upgrade be a straight bolt on job?

i was told that if i wanna use evo calipers i would need to build some sort of a bracket...

i am currently running 15" rims, woul i also need to upgrade those to 17"?

[shaker]

what about using slotted rotors?

[fras]

I'm using slotted & cross drill rotors on my mivec... stopping has improved but need to get better pads... currently using wagner pads

[MISHI]

would the stage 1 upgrade be a straight bolt on job?

i was told that if i wanna use evo calipers i would need to build some sort of a bracket...

i am currently running 15" rims, woul i also need to upgrade those to 17"?

Once it's the complete spindle, it should bolt up. And yes you can use your 15's fine. 17's were mandatory in the Evos form 5 up because of the brembo setup.

I never heard anyone talk about using a bracket to mount it unless it's the calipers themselves...

[blazing]

Calipers from Eclipse GSX, Stealth, Diamante, VR4 galant, Evo 1-3 are a direct bolt on the CK.

There are 2 different types of brake fittings to the caliper. A banjo bolt type and a screw in type. I have used both types with no problems.

Master cylinder should be upgraded too with a 1 1/16 bore from ABS vehicles or at least a 1" bore one.

I have used the 276mm 4x114 VR4 discs already on 4x100 CK already and it still works excellent up to today.

Another great benefit from upgrading to twin pots is the ease of acquiring better pads such as Hawk.

[blazing]

Isn't the Mivec 4x114? and the mounting holes for the caliper are the same?


If so, he will not need the complete spindle.

Just VR4 4X114 discs and twin pot calipers from any of the listed...

[shaker]

how available is the VR4 set up or evo 1-3?

Average price?

[Rudman]

6 piston K-Sport!.......



http://www.ksportusa.com/asp/brake_kits ... t_id=bk07#

[Sanctifier]

would the stage 1 upgrade be a straight bolt on job?

i was told that if i wanna use evo calipers i would need to build some sort of a bracket...

I wasn't sure either but here's another Zorce 2nr's experience...

E4 has 2-pot ft. calipers. Don't you need the E7 caliper bracket etc. to bolt on the Brembos?

The awesome thing is: brembo calipers fit straight to evo4 hub carriers!!!
With no adapter plates needed whatsoever!...

So it looks like both the 2-pot and Brembo calipers will be a "bolt-on" for you too.

[shaker]

i forgot...

would i need to upgrade my booster and cylinder as well or woul the mivec one do?

[rjaggs]

i currently running a double diaphragm booster from a cedia and stock rotor & caliper setup with mintex pads (vrg galant) - works pretty good

[fras]

rjaggs where u got those pads n price

[Rudman]

So wha happen?

Nobody like K-Sport?.....

[*KRONIK*]

So wha happen?

Nobody like K-Sport?.....

i like K-sport

i cyah afford K-sport

[fras]

dont know what Rudman going and stop with that

[*KRONIK*]

dont know what Rudman going and stop with that

maybe he comin with something that need K-sports 6pot bizniss to stop it

BOOSTED 92
MODDED 93T
63T????

[renegade_wolf]

I didn't know that VR4 and Evo 7,8,9, front brakes could work in a CK.
But I doubt doing this would be a bolt for bolt job. What exactly would need to be changed to make this work

Additionally I gather you all talking about the front brakes but would rear disk brakes of these cars work in the rear of a CK?(correct meh if i wrong)