Is there a demand for UMTS 3G in Trinidad & Tobago?

[mojosodope]

3G will just be more convenient for everyone but then again it makes no sense if the companies offer the service if they can't back it up with the speeds. What I mean is that they offer GPRS but it has dial-up speeds and their 'EDGE' service with blackberries is not really EDGE. It is essentially the GPRS service with a BlackBerry Data plan and there may be a slight speed bump due to the fact that it runs through RIM's servers. I still would really love to look at my phone and see that familiar 3G emblem tho and they really need to consider offering an official iPhone data plan.

[Smokey]

Just spoke to a friend in TSTT, they believe there is no demand in T&T for 3G and as a result are thinking about delaying their 3G deployment, especially since they said they have 4G WiMAX already.

What do you think?

I'm pissed as hell! Why are we in Trinidad so backward that we can't access fast internet on our phones in 2010!!!

3G has been around since 2003/4.

I f*cking hate waiting minutes for Google Maps to load, or youtube videos to load etc.

let me get this straight....you spoke to someone in TSTT that said they delaying the deployment of 3G becuase they already have wimax and 4G........

firstly....2g started with limited data ...ie text messages
3G is data.....with max output of 200kbit/s
4G is data...wit max output of 100Mbits/s for mobile communications ( trains and cars) and 1Gbits/s for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users)

my point is how the firetruck you could claim to have 4G when you dont even have 3G......???

Been reliably informed that within two years both Bmobile and Digicel will launch their 3G networks. Believe it or not, in Trinidad most people still use their phones mainly for making calls and texting.

Within 2 years? Sounds about right....by that time 5G may be launching throughout the rest of the world

firstly....2g started with limited data ...ie text messages
3G is data.....with max output of 200kbit/s
4G is data...wit max output of 100Mbits/s for mobile communications ( trains and cars) and 1Gbits/s for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users)

my point is how the firetruck you could claim to have 4G when you dont even have 3G......???

Now, it seems to be you have no clue about mobile technologies.

2G is not just Text, but GPRS/EDGE
3G is either
- EVDO (which only works on CDMA phones and USB dongles)
- UMTS (which has several branches of HSPA, current one produces 42Mbits! and is suported on GSM based phones)
4G is either
- LTE (will be supported on both GSM and CDMA phones)
- WiMAX (strictly limited to USB Dongles and a handful of Sprint only phones) - basically dead and slow technology compared to the latest HSPA and more so LTE.

What TSTT SHOULD have done was launch with UMTS HSPA (which was at 7.2 MBits 2 years ago) instead of WIMAX

WiMAX is dead technology. What's the sense of having mobile broadband when 99% of phones do not support WiMAX?

[M_2NR]

just fyi, the 4G networks that the US call "4G" isnt actually 4G speeds ae.

also, why hasn't anyone written TATT? didnt they recently get a new board? hrmm

[mojosodope]

just fyi, the 4G networks that the US call "4G" isnt actually 4G speeds ae.

also, why hasn't anyone written TATT? didnt they recently get a new board? hrmm

Well technically speaking there aren't any providers in the world that offer the real 4G speed at the moment. The current hardware that is out for cellphones does not support such high speeds. 4G as advertised by U.S carriers as well as carriers around the world(you dont need to emphasise on U.S carriers because you see their ads on t.v all the time) relates to the 4th generation of internet on phones. 1st came GPRS, 2nd was EDGE, 3rd was 3G etc, I think there was something before GPRS but I'm not sure.

http://gizmodo.com/#!5680755/the-dirty- ... its-not-4g

[mojosodope]

Just spoke to a friend in TSTT, they believe there is no demand in T&T for 3G and as a result are thinking about delaying their 3G deployment, especially since they said they have 4G WiMAX already.

What do you think?

I'm pissed as hell! Why are we in Trinidad so backward that we can't access fast internet on our phones in 2010!!!

3G has been around since 2003/4.

I f*cking hate waiting minutes for Google Maps to load, or youtube videos to load etc.

let me get this straight....you spoke to someone in TSTT that said they delaying the deployment of 3G becuase they already have wimax and 4G........

firstly....2g started with limited data ...ie text messages
3G is data.....with max output of 200kbit/s
4G is data...wit max output of 100Mbits/s for mobile communications ( trains and cars) and 1Gbits/s for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users)

my point is how the firetruck you could claim to have 4G when you dont even have 3G......???

Been reliably informed that within two years both Bmobile and Digicel will launch their 3G networks. Believe it or not, in Trinidad most people still use their phones mainly for making calls and texting.

Within 2 years? Sounds about right....by that time 5G may be launching throughout the rest of the world

firstly....2g started with limited data ...ie text messages
3G is data.....with max output of 200kbit/s
4G is data...wit max output of 100Mbits/s for mobile communications ( trains and cars) and 1Gbits/s for low mobility communication (such as pedestrians and stationary users)

my point is how the firetruck you could claim to have 4G when you dont even have 3G......???

Now, it seems to be you have no clue about mobile technologies.

2G is not just Text, but GPRS/EDGE
3G is either
- EVDO (which only works on CDMA phones and USB dongles)
- UMTS (which has several branches of HSPA, current one produces 42Mbits! and is suported on GSM based phones)
4G is either
- LTE (will be supported on both GSM and CDMA phones)
- WiMAX (strictly limited to USB Dongles and a handful of Sprint only phones) - basically dead and slow technology compared to the latest HSPA and more so LTE.

What TSTT SHOULD have done was launch with UMTS HSPA (which was at 7.2 MBits 2 years ago) instead of WIMAX

WiMAX is dead technology. What's the sense of having mobile broadband when 99% of phones do not support WiMAX?

Poor management decisions and backward mentality, eventho other carriers worldwide advertise 3G/4G and the speeds do not reach the theoretical limits of it, TSTT advertises 3G/4G under complete false pretenses as the speed they offer is equivilant to EDGE speeds (with the amount of network traffic) and at best of times very very low 3G speeds. Regular '3G' and'4G' speeds are no where in sight with their current offerings.

[Smokey]

just fyi, the 4G networks that the US call "4G" isnt actually 4G speeds ae.

also, why hasn't anyone written TATT? didnt they recently get a new board? hrmm

Well technically speaking there aren't any providers in the world that offer the real 4G speed at the moment. The current hardware that is out for cellphones does not support such high speeds. 4G as advertised by U.S carriers as well as carriers around the world(you dont need to emphasise on U.S carriers because you see their ads on t.v all the time) relates to the 4th generation of internet on phones. 1st came GPRS, 2nd was EDGE, 3rd was 3G etc, I think there was something before GPRS but I'm not sure.

http://gizmodo.com/#!5680755/the-dirty- ... its-not-4g

This is what is going on in the US right now:

Sprint - CDMA Phones, WiMAX "4g" - typical speeds around 2.5mbits
TMobile - GSM, HSPA+ 21mbit max (which is 3G, but being marketed as 4G) - typical speeds around 4mbits
AT&T - GSM, HPSA (7.2mbit max) - Typical speeds around 1mbit
Verizon - CDMA, LTE 70 or 80mbit max - Typical speeds around 10mbits

All typical speeds were average expected customer speeds when taking into consideration shared traffic etc.

In Trinidad we are still at 2G on Mobile devices. We don't have EVDO or even the first generation 3G available on Mobile phones (available since 2001)

And we are probably one of only countries in the world like this.

[mojosodope]

just fyi, the 4G networks that the US call "4G" isnt actually 4G speeds ae.

also, why hasn't anyone written TATT? didnt they recently get a new board? hrmm

Well technically speaking there aren't any providers in the world that offer the real 4G speed at the moment. The current hardware that is out for cellphones does not support such high speeds. 4G as advertised by U.S carriers as well as carriers around the world(you dont need to emphasise on U.S carriers because you see their ads on t.v all the time) relates to the 4th generation of internet on phones. 1st came GPRS, 2nd was EDGE, 3rd was 3G etc, I think there was something before GPRS but I'm not sure.

http://gizmodo.com/#!5680755/the-dirty- ... its-not-4g

This is what is going on in the US right now:

Sprint - CDMA Phones, WiMAX "4g" - typical speeds around 2.5mbits
TMobile - GSM, HSPA+ 21mbit max (which is 3G, but being marketed as 4G) - typical speeds around 4mbits
AT&T - GSM, HPSA (7.2mbit max) - Typical speeds around 1mbit
Verizon - CDMA, LTE 70 or 80mbit max - Typical speeds around 10mbits

All typical speeds were average expected customer speeds when taking into consideration shared traffic etc.

In Trinidad we are still at 2G on Mobile devices. We don't have EVDO or even the first generation 3G available on Mobile phones (available since 2001)

And we are probably one of only countries in the world like this.

AT&T has their HSPA+ running in most areas*


Exactly I agree I've stated all this in my previous posts but seriously come on. 3G has been out for 10 years, it has been widely adopted since 2006/7 worldwide and we are still stuck with GPRS, which is 1G the EDGE in this country is not Evolved Edge. The speed TSTT is offering right now as pertains to the labeled service does NOT comply with the ITU requirements. e.g to be labeled 3G/4G etc.

[Stephon.]

Ok I'm going to email b-mobile now and see if I get any kind of reply on this. Maybe if they get more direct messages from their customers with reasons they would implement 3G sooner, rather than later?

[S_2NR]

Just spoke to a friend in TSTT, they believe there is no demand in T&T for 3G and as a result are thinking about delaying their 3G deployment, especially since they said they have 4G WiMAX already.

What do you think?

I'm pissed as hell! Why are we in Trinidad so backward that we can't access fast internet on our phones in 2010!!!

3G has been around since 2003/4.

I f*cking hate waiting minutes for Google Maps to load, or youtube videos to load etc.

you answered ur question and didn even realise it

[mojosodope]

Ok I'm going to email b-mobile now and see if I get any kind of reply on this. Maybe if they get more direct messages from their customers with reasons they would implement 3G sooner, rather than later?

Good luck I've emailed, called customer service, went into front offices, to no avail, lower management does not not shitt/doesn't care to escalate the issue.

[mojosodope]

Just spoke to a friend in TSTT, they believe there is no demand in T&T for 3G and as a result are thinking about delaying their 3G deployment, especially since they said they have 4G WiMAX already.

What do you think?

I'm pissed as hell! Why are we in Trinidad so backward that we can't access fast internet on our phones in 2010!!!

3G has been around since 2003/4.

I f*cking hate waiting minutes for Google Maps to load, or youtube videos to load etc.

you answered ur question and didn even realise it

so damn annoying customer service in this country doesn't care and I just noticed by calling Blink recently that all their customer service reps are outsourced you can tell by their accents and by the fact that i have to repeat everything I say. smfh.

[Smokey]

Ok I'm going to email b-mobile now and see if I get any kind of reply on this. Maybe if they get more direct messages from their customers with reasons they would implement 3G sooner, rather than later?

Good luck I've emailed, called customer service, went into front offices, no available, lower management does not not shitt/don't care to escalate the issue.

Same here, even conversed with one of the VPs at a conference last year and his response was "We don't see a customer demand for it".......

[mojosodope]

Ok I'm going to email b-mobile now and see if I get any kind of reply on this. Maybe if they get more direct messages from their customers with reasons they would implement 3G sooner, rather than later?

Good luck I've emailed, called customer service, went into front offices, no available, lower management does not not shitt/don't care to escalate the issue.

Same here, even conversed with one of the VPs at a conference last year and his response was "We don't see a customer demand for it".......

Hopefully they're secretly going to roll it out soon but I doubt, I can understand when they say they dont have a demand for it but there alot of power users that want it so bad but as long as the general public doesn't care for it the growing minority that does is screwed. It is basically mandatory(due to demand) for other operators worldwide to offer a 3G service.
BTW Lmao @ bmobile for advertising as the '#1 Network in the country' well there are only two networks and both of them suck so people aren't left with a choice,so much for competition -___-

[mojosodope]

I just sent an email to the Telecommunications Authority of Trinidad & Tobago expressing my concerns regarding the lack of development of 3G services for our phones.

Hopefully I get a response or some answer.

If you want to show them that we actually want this, send them an email and maybe they can shed some light;

info@tatt.org.tt
http://www.tatt.org.tt/

[sMASH]

i would pay a 100 a month for a 3g network. right now, i use prepaid and spend, on average, $60 a month. when i home plenty times i using the wifi to stream youtube. as long as the rates charged by per unit speed instead of quantity downloaded, i orn.

[mojosodope]

i would pay a 100 a month for a 3g network. right now, i use prepaid and spend, on average, $60 a month. when i home plenty times i using the wifi to stream youtube. as long as the rates charged by per unit speed instead of quantity downloaded, i orn.

I pay $150 a month for GPRS on my iPhone 4, postpaid plan, I'm sure if they do come out with a 3G plan they will have a limit on the package or charge a ridiculous amount for unlimited.

[Stephon.]

i would pay a 100 a month for a 3g network. right now, i use prepaid and spend, on average, $60 a month. when i home plenty times i using the wifi to stream youtube. as long as the rates charged by per unit speed instead of quantity downloaded, i orn.

I pay $150 a month for GPRS on my iPhone 4, postpaid plan, I'm sure if they do come out with a 3G plan they will have a limit on the package or charge a ridiculous amount for unlimited.

I pay 199 a month for my data plan unlimited, and I'm willing to pay 299 a month for 3G data plans (if it's unlimited that is)

I just sent an email to the Telecommunications Authority of Trinidad & Tobago expressing my concerns regarding the lack of development of 3G services for our phones.

Hopefully I get a response or some answer.

If you want to show them that we actually want this, send them an email and maybe they can shed some light;

info@tatt.org.tt
http://www.tatt.org.tt/

e-mailed

More people need to do this so they can see that the demand IS in fact there.

[sMASH]

i don't need it.

my home connection is 5 meg (and i was quite satisfied with the previous 2 meg connection) for 200 per month with flow. but i am not home all the time.

i am, how ever, with my fone all the time, and spend any where from 50 to 100 dollars per month on calls and texts.

if i can get the equivalent of a 2 meg data flow rate on a 3g network on my phone for around the same total communications cost per month, i would seriously consider it.

[mojosodope]

i don't need it.

my home connection is 5 meg (and i was quite satisfied with the previous 2 meg connection) for 200 per month with flow. but i am not home all the time.

i am, how ever, with my fone all the time, and spend any where from 50 to 100 dollars per month on calls and texts.

if i can get the equivalent of a 2 meg data flow rate on a 3g network on my phone for around the same total communications cost per month, i would seriously consider it.

Theoretically basic 3G is antiquated too, because it only allows for speeds up to 364 kbits download but carriers use HSDPA 3G (commonly refereed to as 3.5G / 3.75 G) which is around 3.6Mb .

HSPA and HSPA + on the other hand has limits closer to the 100mb download range. T-Mobile USA has HSPA but on the lower end around 20 sum Mb/s

I'd be happy with speeds around the second tier of HSDPA which is around 3.6 down

[mojosodope]

I thought this was interesting, you can compare the speeds there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wireless_data_standards

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I also pay $150 per month for EDGE unlimited
but I would gladly pay extra for 2Mb/sec download speed on my 3G phone

[phreak]

totally agree, i also pay 150 for edge on my iPhone 4, within recent times i have seen a slow to an already slow network.. sad that a device with so much capability is restricted by our local networks..

[brickman]

Speed jumped up on bmobile since friday,getting 150/165 kbits so far after almost 4 months of pressure getting an ease up.Meanwhile the 3g talk start back on tstt forum with people claiming 3g coming.Been hearing this broken record for years with no proof so whatever!

[shaq090]

I also pay $150 per month for EDGE unlimited
but I would gladly pay extra for 2Mb/sec download speed on my 3G phone

quote this on digicel's and bmobile's fb page...so they go realise we mean business...btw i made a 3g/edge post on fb...http://www.facebook.com/problemkid

[mojosodope]

Speed jumped up on bmobile since friday,getting 150/165 kbits so far after almost 4 months of pressure getting an ease up.Meanwhile the 3g talk start back on tstt forum with people claiming 3g coming.Been hearing this broken record for years with no proof so whatever!

Really? you're lucky I've actually noticed a significantly slower speed over the past several days
and TSTT's forums look like a time capsule , 3G talk for the last couple years and I just read it and there's some guy Greg who is saying that they will be rolling out a 4G LTE network soon,
all I have to say about that is, BS, you telling me they going to skip 3G service alltogether? HA, Jump from GRPS speeds to LTE, yeah right.

http://tsttproblems.com/index.php?showt ... entry21634

[mojosodope]

I also pay $150 per month for EDGE unlimited
but I would gladly pay extra for 2Mb/sec download speed on my 3G phone

actually it's GPRS you're paying for*, they don't offer an EDGE service to non-blackberry plan phones, the EDGE service they offer is basically a GPRS package with access to blackberry services, in terms of speed. If you call them they can confirm that they only offer GPRS packages to non-blackberry phones, thats the $150, I have both that plan on my iphone 4 and the blackberry unlimited plan on my bold and you really can't tell a difference in speed, it's sad.

[mojosodope]

totally agree, i also pay 150 for edge on my iPhone 4, within recent times i have seen a slow to an already slow network.. sad that a device with so much capability is restricted by our local networks..

sad is right, the fact is that soon alot of the new phones are coming out with 4G capability and alot have already came out and we don't even have basic 3G yet, btw iPhone 4's are such a beyotch to work down here because of the shitty data network -__- glad to see another i4 user tho

[mojosodope]

I also pay $150 per month for EDGE unlimited
but I would gladly pay extra for 2Mb/sec download speed on my 3G phone

quote this on digicel's and bmobile's fb page...so they go realise we mean business...btw i made a 3g/edge post on fb...http://www.facebook.com/problemkid

not going to make a difference, look up several posts I made one concerning contacting TATT.
send an email to them

[Bareback]

Why don't you go and demonstrate in front of TATT, maybe they might at least give you ah 5%.

I am not really sure where or even why many of you think that a company is mandated to invest hundreds of milions of dollars into a service simply because it is new or that you are angry that you cannot get it. Then you will not want to pay the price for it or you will find something else to complain about.

If the service is not what you want then leave that company! What's next you will want to plug in directly to the MCI fiber link?

[mojosodope]

Why don't you go and demonstrate in front of TATT, maybe they might at least give you ah 5%.

I am not really sure where or even why many of you think that a company is mandated to invest hundreds of milions of dollars into a service simply because it is new or that you are angry that you cannot get it. Then you will not want to pay the price for it or you will find something else to complain about.

If the service is not what you want then leave that company! What's next you will want to plug in directly to the MCI fiber link?

You think any less progress is made by doing nothing and compensating for inadequate qualities of service? Man you don't know what you're saying they're so many people that would pay for the service if it was offered but that's it, its not even offered

AND you don't have any options to leave the service as there are only two damn providers in the whole country and both of them don't offer anything more than the other. so chill with your sheit.