Question to fellow tuners

[Fearless]

Just a few minutes ago I was travelling around the QPS, and i saw some Bishop's students marching with placards which basically expressed their opposition to racism, and honk if you agree, which many of the fellow motorists obliged.
So it raised the question in my head, that i sure many of you probably thought of also (not sure if this is a topic already) but anyone think that there is a way for racism to be eradicated from our country?
If so post your opinions or thoughts on the topic whether it's possible or not.


Please no trolls.

[zoom rader]

inb4thetunerraciststarttobeatup

[wagonrunner]

inb4thetunerracists

IRONY

[wheelbarrow]

Please no trolls.

I fear that this thread is racist against trolls

[joker]

inb4thetunerraciststarttobeatup

Wtf

[airuma]

Simple answer.... Eliminate all races but one.

[Cid]

Have carnival year round

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

WALLACE: Black History Month, you find ...

FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

WALLACE: Why?

FREEMAN: You're going to relegate my history to a month?

WALLACE: Come on.

FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

WALLACE: I'm Jewish.

FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

WALLACE: There isn't one.

FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

WALLACE: No, no.

FREEMAN: I don't either. I don't want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.

WALLACE: How are we going to get rid of racism...?

FREEMAN: Stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You're not going to say, "I know this white guy named Mike Wallace." Hear what I'm saying?

[Fearless]

Simple answer.... Eliminate all races but one.

So you think it's impossible for us as a nation to correlate?

Have carnival year round

this would achieve what exactly? just curious

[Fearless]

[quote="Duane 3NE 2NR"]
WALLACE: How are we going to get rid of racism...?

FREEMAN: Stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You're not going to say, "I know this white guy named Mike Wallace." Hear what I'm saying?

THIS! make so much sense.

[BrotherHood]

inb4thetunerracists

IRONY

x2

[rfari]

WALLACE: Black History Month, you find ...

FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

WALLACE: Why?

FREEMAN: You're going to relegate my history to a month?

WALLACE: Come on.

FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

WALLACE: I'm Jewish.

FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

WALLACE: There isn't one.

FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

WALLACE: No, no.

FREEMAN: I don't either. I don't want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.

WALLACE: How are we going to get rid of racism...?

FREEMAN: Stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You're not going to say, "I know this white guy named Mike Wallace." Hear what I'm saying?

/ched

[uncle sam]

Have carnival year round

endorsed !


no racism thurrr..

[Les Bain]

Have carnival year round

this would achieve what exactly? just curious

Wining up on white women does solve everything.

[TrinbagoMan]

WALLACE: Black History Month, you find ...

FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

WALLACE: Why?

FREEMAN: You're going to relegate my history to a month?

WALLACE: Come on.

FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

WALLACE: I'm Jewish.

FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

WALLACE: There isn't one.

FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

WALLACE: No, no.

FREEMAN: I don't either. I don't want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.

WALLACE: How are we going to get rid of racism...?

FREEMAN: Stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You're not going to say, "I know this white guy named Mike Wallace." Hear what I'm saying?

Morgan Freeman talking foolishness. Talking about racism does not cause racism, infact talking sensibly about race and racism is an important way for it to be addressed towards people being aware of their own racism. Secondly, identifying people by their race is not racist not does it necessary contribute towards racism. People being of different racial groups or being different is not the source of racism, but moreso, it is the attitudes, values and false racial preferences that cause racism.

Thirdly, people way well think they could be colour blind or race blind, but that is just their own delusions. They could not call someone white, black or indian and still be very racist. Racial hierarchies and preferences whether stemming from European colonialism, Hindu religious roots or Islamic conquest activities are too deeply embedded in the human psyche to be easily dismissed or overcome.

I think people have to move past seeing racism as overt hostile acts and see it as something that is deeply imbedded in most people through conditioning. The rampant racism often expressed on this forum is a testament to what we are dealing with.

[Fearless]

Morgan Freeman talking foolishness. Talking about racism does not cause racism, infact talking sensibly about race and racism is an important way for it to be addressed towards people being aware of their own racism. Secondly, identifying people by their race is not racist not does it necessary contribute towards racism. People being of different racial groups or being different is not the source of racism, but moreso, it is the attitudes, values and false racial preferences that cause racism.

Thirdly, people way well think they could be colour blind or race blind, but that is just their own delusions. They could not call someone white, black or indian and still be very racist. Racial hierarchies and preferences whether stemming from European colonialism, Hindu religious roots or Islamic conquest activities are too deeply embedded in the human psyche to be easily dismissed or overcome.

I think people have to move past seeing racism as overt hostile acts and see it as something that is deeply imbedded in most people through conditioning. The rampant racism often expressed on this forum is a testament to what we are dealing with.

This makes a lot of sense also. Only thing I would object to, Mr Freeman isn't talking foolishness, he is just expressing his opinion, just as you did. Not everyone would have the same opinion but doesn't mean it's wrong because it doesn't support yours

One thing I wanted to ask you, is what you think causes these ideals to be embedded into the psyche?

[wagonrunner]

Oh for the day all "the races" are so interbred they'd be unable to tell each other apart, and we'd finally have one race - human.

[wickedbreed]

It doesnt matter if we're black or white because we're all human...

[joker]

I hate wagonrunner wen he talks sense.

[airuma]

Simple answer.... Eliminate all races but one.

So you think it's impossible for us as a nation to correlate?

Have carnival year round

this would achieve what exactly? just curious

No, we already correlate but it's not seen as a "fair" arrangement by some, in particular the ones that seem to think that they are only given what is rejected by the ones that hold the "higher" stakes. As Mr. Freeman says, it's all in our mind, "I think therefore I am." I think I am inferior and therefore I behave inferior.
In this Country, the "Africans" are perceived as lazy and will work only if it is absolutely necessary, the Indians are perceived as jealous of their own (crab in a bucket). The Syrians and Chinese have associations and keep things within their community as much as possible. The Muslims also seem to have a similar approach. They have created a community within themselves that limits their reliance on others outside of their community, hence racism does not affect them (eliminate all races but one) The Indians are too jealous of their own to create it and the Africans are too lazy to create it. They now have what we want but we don't want to do what they have done.
IMHO, racism is only a problem for those who feel the other race is better off, if you are contented with the results of your efforts, I really can't see racism being a problem.
How is it that BP can make in excess of $1 billion US in 3 months right here in Trinidad but PETROTRIN takes a whole year to make the same amount..... poor management....see the answer? we can't even manage ourselves and it shows in our management of our organizations. We want the benefits without the responsibility and accountability. My motto is "I should not want what my neighbour has if I am not prepared to do what they did to get it"

[Fearless]

Simple answer.... Eliminate all races but one.

So you think it's impossible for us as a nation to correlate?

Have carnival year round

this would achieve what exactly? just curious

No, we already correlate but it's not seen as a "fair" arrangement by some, in particular the ones that seem to think that they are only given what is rejected by the ones that hold the "higher" stakes. As Mr. Freeman says, it's all in our mind, "I think therefore I am." I think I am inferior and therefore I behave inferior.
In this Country, the "Africans" are perceived as lazy and will work only if it is absolutely necessary, the Indians are perceived as jealous of their own (crab in a bucket). The Syrians and Chinese have associations and keep things within their community as much as possible. The Muslims also seems to have a similar approach. They have created a community within themselves that limits their reliance on others outside of their community, hence racism does not affect them (eliminate all races but one) The Indians are too jealous of their own to create it and the Africans are too lazy to create it. They now have what we want but we don't want to do what they have done.
IMHO, racism is only a problem for those who feel the other race is better off, if you are contented with the results of your efforts, I really can't see racism being a problem.
How is it that BP can make in excess of $1 billion US in 3 months right here in Trinidad but PETROTRIN takes a whole year to make the same amount..... poor management....see the answer? we can't even manage ourselves and it shows in our management of our organizations. We want the benefits without the responsibility and accountability. My motto is "I should not want what my neighbour has if I am not prepared to do what they did to get it"

Ok i understand what you mean.
Great motto there

[TrinbagoMan]

Morgan Freeman talking foolishness. Talking about racism does not cause racism, infact talking sensibly about race and racism is an important way for it to be addressed towards people being aware of their own racism. Secondly, identifying people by their race is not racist not does it necessary contribute towards racism. People being of different racial groups or being different is not the source of racism, but moreso, it is the attitudes, values and false racial preferences that cause racism.

Thirdly, people way well think they could be colour blind or race blind, but that is just their own delusions. They could not call someone white, black or indian and still be very racist. Racial hierarchies and preferences whether stemming from European colonialism, Hindu religious roots or Islamic conquest activities are too deeply embedded in the human psyche to be easily dismissed or overcome.

I think people have to move past seeing racism as overt hostile acts and see it as something that is deeply imbedded in most people through conditioning. The rampant racism often expressed on this forum is a testament to what we are dealing with.

This makes a lot of sense also. Only thing I would object to, Mr Freeman isn't talking foolishness, he is just expressing his opinion, just as you did. Not everyone would have the same opinion but doesn't mean it's wrong because it doesn't support yours

One thing I wanted to ask you, is what you think causes these ideals to be embedded into the psyche?

Of course, he is expressing his opinion: i am saying his opinion is foolish because it is not realistic for reasons i mentioned. And he is not wrong because his views does not support mine, he is wrong because his views not well reasoned or thought out.

It is a complex process of historical processes that manifest today in a global and national mechanisms of ignorance and poor racial ideas. The historical domination of white males added to their contemporary domination and control of media and information, means that they have imposed their racial hierarchies, ignorance on others. They have put themselves as the bringers of civilisation, as well as the most attractive and beautiful phenotype. Most people [exposed to Christianity and the white deities, exposed to media, exposed to colonised families who have those same values] internalise very poor values and ways of thinking. When a child growing up surrounded by white and light images on tv, billboards, storybooks, cartoon, when he going to church, God himself white, of course he or she will have negative attitudes towards dark complexions as well as a general ignorance of non-mainstream cultures. No wonder the brothels with the Spanish women In Trinidad are well subscribed.... because that is the fantasies most people have, it is towards lighter complexioned people and European features.

In our Christian society there is much ignorance and biases about non Christian worldviews and religions such as Hinduism, Orisha and Rastafari. This can be understood in wider context of general ignorance of history and different groups that make up our space.

Most Indians have special issues with Racism, as they not only have to contend with the effects of white male supremacy, but also the deep racism present in Hinduism, where many religious texts spring from the conqueror's side of the story. so it is nothing more than a very aryan Brahminical narrative with a deep aversion to blackness and lower -class-ness as reflected with the Dalit struggles in India.

I would recommend : Racism through Advaita Philosophy: http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/blog/?p=7976

[javishm]

[TrinbagoMan]

It doesnt matter if we're black or white because we're all human...

Oh for the day all "the races" are so interbred they'd be unable to tell each other apart, and we'd finally have one race - human.

I understand how people in trying to escape racism, may end up at this point, but this is a view that adds greatly to racism. Saying we are all human is correct, but it does not help us much. Most people are of his view, but it does not prevent them from arranging all these humans in hierarchies and lusting over the ones that in their minds are higher up. The many sexy woman threads on this forum show what are the images of beauty people generally have. there is a great preference for lighter skin and european features and this is no accident. many persons on this forum who will say they agree with these statements, if you look at their personal lives and who they prefer they do have their own racial preferences and evaluations of people that reflect racism and colourism.

this view is also dangerous because it assumes that differences is the cause of racism and it is not. in history different racial types have interacted for thousands of years without racism. Nature is not about entities being homogenous, but rather nature promotes diversity. So this talk about one human race is just bogus wishful thinking that does not even remotely toouch on what we need to do to foster better racial ideas.

[K74T]

inb4thetunerracists

inafterkingracisthimself

[wickedbreed]

just curious...zoomraider is of the curry descent right?

[tr1ad]

my fellow aryan brothers............

can't we all just get along?

[TrinbagoMan]

Perhaps there should be an official racist and racism thread.

[rfari]

WALLACE: Black History Month, you find ...

FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

WALLACE: Why?

FREEMAN: You're going to relegate my history to a month?

WALLACE: Come on.

FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

WALLACE: I'm Jewish.

FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

WALLACE: There isn't one.

FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

WALLACE: No, no.

FREEMAN: I don't either. I don't want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.

WALLACE: How are we going to get rid of racism...?

FREEMAN: Stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You're not going to say, "I know this white guy named Mike Wallace." Hear what I'm saying?

Morgan Freeman talking foolishness. Talking about racism does not cause racism, infact talking sensibly about race and racism is an important way for it to be addressed towards people being aware of their own racism. Secondly, identifying people by their race is not racist not does it necessary contribute towards racism. People being of different racial groups or being different is not the source of racism, but moreso, it is the attitudes, values and false racial preferences that cause racism.

Thirdly, people way well think they could be colour blind or race blind, but that is just their own delusions. They could not call someone white, black or indian and still be very racist. Racial hierarchies and preferences whether stemming from European colonialism, Hindu religious roots or Islamic conquest activities are too deeply embedded in the human psyche to be easily dismissed or overcome.

I think people have to move past seeing racism as overt hostile acts and see it as something that is deeply imbedded in most people through conditioning. The rampant racism often expressed on this forum is a testament to what we are dealing with.

i hear u but the point morgan freeman made is why class someone by race/ethnicity etc. yes, we understand that different ethnicities exist but when there is the grouping by skin colour, hair, etc there will always be the 'us vs dem' mentality. and no, freeman's suggestion is not a sure-cure for racism but just one step forward imo

[dougla_boy]

douglarize the nation.